How to include everyone at your Thanksgiving table
By Melanie Lockert
Published November 17, 2023 5:00 AM
The holiday pie selection from Sinners & Saints Desserts.
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Topline:
For those with specific dietary restrictions like gluten intolerance or a plant-based diet, Thanksgiving pies are traditionally a no-no. But there are now several bakeries in L.A. which have top-notch offerings catering to these preferences, meaning hosts can include everyone at their table.
Why it matters: Pumpkin pie should be for everyone! Now you can have your pie and eat it too.
Why now: There's now a growing number of bakeries which cater to people with different dietary needs, selling all kinds of Thanksgiving pies which won't disgrace anyone's table.
What's on the menu? How do gluten-free chocolate bourbon pecan pie or vegan pumpkin caramel pie sound?
You may be already fantasizing about what you’re going to eat on Thanksgiving (and those tasty leftover sandwiches you’re going to make afterwards). One of the biggest stars, if we’re being honest, are the pies.
Apple, pecan, sweet potato and pumpkin — there’s something for everyone, right? Yup, unless you have specific dietary restrictions like celiac disease or gluten intolerance, or a health condition or a plant-based diet, in which case you’ll probably look at the pies longingly and say the well-rehearsed sequence of four words — “I can’t eat that.”
If you can’t eat traditional pies, or would like to make your Thanksgiving dinner more inclusive for all your guests, here’s where to find gluten-free and vegan pies this Thanksgiving. Please note some places are not 100% gluten-free, so if you have celiac try at your own discretion.
Sinners and Saints
Gluten-free, vegan
Gluten-free vegan rustic pumpkin pie, Sinners and Saints.
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Sinners and Saints is a bakery in Venice that offers both traditional and gluten-free desserts, brought to you by the same people behind the gluten-free eatery, 401K Food and Wine. Their playful name captures that, with Sinners referring to decadent desserts and Saints referring to gluten-free delights.
Their Thanksgiving menu has an impressive array of gluten-free options and a handful of vegan options, including:
Gluten-free pumpkin pie.
Gluten-free vegan rustic pumpkin pie.
Gluten-free chocolate bourbon pecan pie.
Gluten-free vegan old-fashioned apple pie.
If you’d like to try your hand at your own recipe, you can also purchase one of their gluten-free pie crusts and have a blank canvas to work with.
Thanksgiving order deadline: Monday, Nov. 20 by 3 p.m.
2547 Lincoln Blvd. Venice, CA 90291 Wed – Sun 10 a.m.- 8:30 p.m.
Erin McKenna, the eponymous founder of Erin McKenna’s Bakery is what I’d call a pioneer and a trendsetter in the gluten-free and vegan dessert space. Starting all the way back in 2005, the first bakery opened in New York.
Earlier this year, I happened to stop by while on a trip to N.Y. and enjoyed an exquisite gluten-free donut. As someone with celiac, it’s always nice to find a fully gluten-free bakery so I don’t have to worry about the potential for cross-contamination (which I’ve definitely experienced).
The good news is you don’t have to travel to enjoy these gluten-free, vegan, kosher, dairy-free, egg-free, soy-free sweets. In fact, the L.A. location on Larchmont has been around for a decade.
So if you have to eat differently due to allergies, an autoimmune disease, or a vegan diet this is the place to go. For Thanksgiving, the store is offering two classic pies:
Pumpkin pie.
Dutch apple pie.
And if you need a side to go with that? You can pick up some biscuits too.
Thanksgiving order deadline: Monday, Nov. 20
236 North Larchmont Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90004 Sunday-Thursday: 8 a.m. - 8 p.m. Friday-Saturday: 8 a.m. - 9 p.m.
Tucked away in the Pacific Palisades on Sunset Boulevard is Sweet Laurel, a bakery that is a haven for people who eat differently. The store is lauded by celebrities and offers bakery items that are all gluten-free, grain-free, refined sugar-free, and dairy-free.
So if you have celiac disease or are diabetic or paleo, you can safely enjoy the treats at Sweet Laurel. There are also many vegan and keto options as well. Most impressive is the fact that many of the items have fewer than five ingredients.
Baker Laurel Gallucci started this journey after being diagnosed with an autoimmune disease and had to say goodbye to traditional cake. Determined to find an alternative, her experiments led to the creation of Sweet Laurel.
Now you can reap the benefits and get pies for Thanksgiving that are a great option for a range of conditions and preferences. You can get:
Cake Monkey was started by entertainment industry veteran Lisa J. Olin who parlayed her producing skills to create this venture. As the name suggests, the bakery’s primary focus is cakes, but this Thanksgiving you can also take advantage of their pies.
The bakery offers traditional baked goods with gluten-free options available for some items. Since the bakery has both items, on their website there’s a note that says they’re not a celiac-safe gluten-free facility. So if you want or need to eat gluten-free but don’t have celiac disease, this could be a good option for you.
This Thanksgiving, the store is offering the gluten-free version (by request) of three pies and one vegan pie including:
Honey braised pumpkin tart (GF version).
Butterscotch pudding pie (GF version).
Chocolate cake pudding pie (GF version).
Vegan pumpkin caramel pie.
Their main storefront is located in Mid City, but there is a North Hollywood location that is pick-up only.
Thanksgiving order deadline: Monday,Nov. 20 by noon.
Mid City (storefront) 7807 Beverly Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90036 9 a.m. - 6 p.m. daily
North Hollywood (pick-up only) 10844 Chandler Blvd. North Hollywood, CA 91601 9 a.m.-5 p.m. Mon-Sat Closed on Sunday
Winston Pies
Gluten-free, vegan
Southern pecan pie, Winston Pies.
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Founder Brianna Abrams is a former attorney turned baker who started Winston Pies, with a name that is an homage to her hometown of Winston-Salem, NC. Her passion for pies comes from a deep reverence for the women in her family, who for generations baked together. What started as a small home kitchen operation blew up, and now the bakery has four locations in Brentwood, West Hollywood, Santa Monica, and Marina Del Rey.
For Thanksgiving, Winston Pies has some classic options for those who are gluten-free, vegan, or both including:
Mixed berry crumble (gluten-free and vegan).
Southern pecan pie (gluten-free).
Harvest apple pie (gluten-free and vegan versions available).
Fall pumpkin (gluten-free version available with 24-hour notice).
You can also pick up a gluten-free, vegan version of the Harvest Apple with a Bake at Home pie at the Brentwood or Marina Del Rey location.
Thanksgiving order deadline: Friday, Nov. 17 by noon
Brentwood 11678 San Vicente Blvd. Los Angeles, CA 90049 Sunday-Thursday: 10 a.m.-9 p.m. Friday: 9 a.m.-10 p.m. Saturday: 9 a.m.-10 p.m.
West Hollywood 8366 West Third St. Los Angeles, CA 90048 Monday-Tuesday: CLOSED Wed-Sunday: 11a.m.- 9 p.m.
Santa Monica (pre-order only) 826 Pico Blvd. Santa Monica, CA 90405
Marina Del Rey 4625 Admiralty Way #105 Marina Del Rey, CA 90292 Sunday-Thursday: 10 a.m.-9 p.m. Friday-Saturday: 10 a.m.-10 p.m.
Top Tier Treats
Vegan
Pumpkin pie, Top Tier Treats.
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Jamaica Crist, the founder of Top Tier Treats, held a number of restaurant positions growing up before she eventually found her true love with desserts. She took baking classes in college and later met her future husband, James. They opened the bakery in 2005 and have continued to grow since. Now the couple works as a team, with James heading the business side and Jamaica as the baker and visionary behind the sweet treats.
Top Tier Treats has a range of Thanksgiving vegan pies available by request including:
Pumpkin pie.
Pecan pie.
Apple pie.
Mixed berry.
Those are the more traditional Thanksgiving options, but other vegan options include chocolate cream, coconut cream, banana cream, and peanut butter cream pies. You must place a special order to get the vegan option. Also, it’s important to note that there are no gluten-free or sugar-free options available.
Thanksgiving order deadline: Friday, Nov. 17 (though there will be some ready-to-go pies available a few days before the holiday)
11511 W. Pico Blvd. West Los Angeles, CA 90064 Monday-Saturday 8 a.m. – 4 p.m. Sunday: Closed *Closed on Thanksgiving until Monday, Nov. 27
In this file photo from 2018, parents walk their kids to Edison Elementary School on the first day of school in Long Beach.
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Topline:
The Long Beach Unified School District is looking for a new operator to handle a major after-school program following the city of Long Beach’s decision not to participate in an attempt to save money.
Backstory: Since 2002, the city’s Parks Department has helped anchor the initiative, known to families as WRAP. It provides free programming for hundreds of transitional-kindergarten through eighth-grade students across seven local campuses.
What's next: District officials emphasized that the state funding remains fully intact and that student services will continue without interruption.
Read on ... for more on what the school district plans to do to keep the program running.
The Long Beach Unified School District is looking for a new operator to handle a major after-school program following the city of Long Beach’s decision not to participate in an attempt to save money.
Since 2002, the city’s Parks Department has helped anchor the initiative, known to families as WRAP. It provides free programming for hundreds of transitional-kindergarten through eighth-grade students across seven local campuses: Garfield, Edison, King, Grant, Lafayette, Burbank and Herrera.
Long Beach Unified officials stress that the vital student services will continue under a new operator this fall. It’s not clear yet who it will be and what, if any, changes they’ll make.
The city’s quiet retreat from the program has sparked deep anxiety among three full-time and 80 part-time municipal workers who now face potential layoffs.
Workers say they were first notified of the decision during a June 15 staff meeting with a city superintendent, where they were told their employment with the program would conclude on Aug. 15.
“Everybody was kind of caught off guard,” said one 13-year city employee based at an elementary school, who spoke on the condition of anonymity to protect her position. “I mean, again, I’ve been doing this for 13 years; we had people there that had been doing it over 20 years that had never moved sites.”
Today, the before- and after-school services are paid for primarily through the state-funded Expanded Learning Opportunities Program (ELOP), a combination of California’s After School Education and Safety (ASES) grant and specific ELOP apportionments.
Historically, the city was granted this funding by the school district without a formal bidding process, typically receiving roughly $15 per student plus administrative fees, which it supplemented with allocations from its own general fund.
This year, however, the school district was forced to overhaul its grant-funding process and consider bids to meet tightening state mandates for the program’s ELOP funding.
Shortly after, the city informed the school district it would not bid on the program.
City spokesperson Jennifer De Prez said the decision “was made so that the department can focus its limited financial resources” on other programs it runs.
The city is facing an estimated $61 million budget shortfall in the upcoming fiscal year — a deficit that top administrators warn makes citywide reductions inevitable.
The city could not immediately provide numbers on how much money it expected to save by ending its participation in the WRAP program. Last year, the city provided $193,254 of in-kind-services at its own expense on top of the program’s grant-funded budget, according to documents provided by De Prez.
Meanwhile, the school district went ahead with a bid application for a replacement operator on May 22. Proposals were due June 12 and are scheduled to go before the Board of Education for consideration at its July 15 meeting.
District officials emphasized that the state funding remains fully intact and that student services will continue without interruption.
The district and the city are also working on a joint letter to families detailing the transition, which is scheduled to be sent out soon.
But for the frontline staff, the transition has been destabilizing and abrupt.
These part-time employees, who work between 20 and 30 hours per week depending on the season, rotate through campuses where individual site enrollment ranges from 85 to 160 students.
The employee who spoke with the Post said that despite directives from supervisors to keep the changes quiet until future plans solidified, she chose to notify parents so they would have time to prepare.
“As a parent, I would want to know if it’s not the same people that I’ve trusted my kids with for years,” she said.
The long-term fate of the workforce remains unresolved, forcing many to look for employment elsewhere.
“As far as employment opportunities, they didn’t lay us off, they didn’t fire us, they just basically told us the contract with the schools will be done August 15,” the anonymous employee said. “Past that, we have no idea what’s going to happen.”
City officials say they will soon meet with representatives of the International Association of Machinists (IAM) union to discuss the workers’ future.
“We are committed to ensuring this process is transparent, informed by complete information, and focused on protecting both employees and the quality and continuity of the vital services the WRAP program provides to the Long Beach community,” said Sashi Muralidharan, a spokesperson with IAM 947.
Editor’s note: This story was updated with more information about the program’s cost to the city.
Libby Rainey
has been following the World Cup in Los Angeles.
Published July 11, 2026 5:00 AM
The 2026 FIFA Fan Festival was hosted at the Los Angeles Memorial Coliseum.
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Topline:
A community organization in Los Angeles is criticizing how the FBI enforced a strict no-drone policy around World Cup venues after federal agents disrupted a community gardening event in South L.A.
What happened: The incident took place the first Sunday of the tournament, while crowds were watching matches at the FIFA Fan Festival at the Los Angeles Coliseum. Nearby, the Los Angeles Neighborhood Land Trust was hosting a celebration for teenagers who had created a native plant garden. Then someone flew a drone to photograph the moment.
How were agents involved: Moments later, the Department of Homeland Security agents, Los Angeles police officers and the FBI were on the scene, according to an organizer. They confiscated the drone and fined the person operating it.
Background: The drone had violated temporary flight restrictions implemented for the World Cup.
Read on … for what organizers and the federal government had to say about the incident.
A community organization in Los Angeles is criticizing how the FBI enforced a strict no-drone policy around World Cup venues after federal agents disrupted a community gardening event in South L.A.
The incident took place the first Sunday of the tournament, while crowds were watching matches at the FIFA Fan Festival at the Los Angeles Coliseum. Nearby, the Los Angeles Neighborhood Land Trust was hosting a celebration for teenagers who had created a native plant garden on a patch of land that used to be an oil drilling site.
Then someone flew a drone to photograph the moment. Minutes later, Department of Homeland Security agents and Los Angeles police officers were on the scene, according to Bz Zhang, a project manager who was helping run the event. Soon the FBI arrived. They confiscated the drone and fined the person operating it.
The Neighborhood Land Trust was hosting a celebration for teenagers who had created a native plant garden on a patch of land that used to be an oil drilling site when authorities arrived.
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" We were unknowingly in violation of federal airspace, and we were told that we were a threat to national security," said Zhang, who witnessed the encounter.
The drone had violated temporary flight restrictions implemented for the World Cup. The Federal Aviation Authority has banned unauthorized drones within "3-nautical-mile radius and up to 3,000 feet above ground level" around stadiums on match days and also prohibited them around certain fan events, like the one at the Coliseum.
Since the tournament started in L.A., federal authorities have seized dozens of drones near SoFi Stadium and the Coliseum, according to the FBI. In total, more than 600 drones have been confiscated across the country.
The crackdown is part of an effort across all 11 U.S. host cities to identify and remove unauthorized drones from the skies around World Cup venues and fan events. Ahead of the tournament, FEMA awarded host cities $250 million specifically to combat drone usage.
"We knew we needed to act quickly to keep the World Cup safe from the rising threat of unmanned aircraft systems and that’s exactly what we did,” said Karen Evans, FEMA's acting cdministrator, in a statement announcing those funds.
But Zhang said that the incident at the garden represented the unintended consequences of hosting mega-events like the World Cup for ordinary community members.
" It's one thing to be aware of construction. … It's another to be expected as residents to know, to the 10th of a mile, that I'm in a particular zone and that, to the hour, I need to be in compliance," Zhang said.
Laura Eimiller, FBI spokesperson, disagreed. She said drone operators are responsible for knowing the rules and that every person in L.A. who had a drone confiscated during the World Cup also received a fine.
"There's been a zero-tolerance approach," Eimiller said.
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Robert Garrova
explores the weird and secret bits of SoCal that would excite even the most jaded Angelenos. He also covers mental health.
Published July 11, 2026 5:00 AM
Kerckhoff Marine Lab, Corona del Mar, circa 1935
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Topline:
Hiding out among the luxury beachfront condos in the Newport Beach neighborhood of Corona Del Mar is Caltech’s Kerckhoff Marine Laboratory.
A ‘magical’ marine station: The place is one of the oldest running marine labs on the West Coast. Scientists that have conducted research there include Wheeler North, who studied the ecology of kelp forest.
Keep reading ...to find out how you can visit ...
Hiding out among the luxury beachfront condos in the Newport Beach neighborhood of Corona Del Mar is an outpost where scientists have been conducting important marine research for nearly a century.
And you can go check the place out for yourself.
A ‘magical’ marine station
With its Spanish style architecture that includes a central tower and red-tiled roof, Caltech’s Kerckhoff Marine Laboratory looks like it’s been teleported in from another time and place.
Originally built as a boat and club house, it was purchased by Caltech in 1929 for use as a beachfront science outpost.
Victoria Orphan, James Irvine Professor of Environmental Science at Caltech and director of the Kerckhoff Marine Lab, said the place is one of the oldest running marine labs on the West Coast.
“There’s something just really magical about marine stations. They’re rustic, so it’s not like you’re going into a fully polished clean room. But that’s part of the charm and you really feel the history,” Orphan said.
One of her favorite spots? The tower. That’s where Orphan said some famous papers were written.
“Sometimes when I have writer’s block, I’ll go and sit in the tower and try to channel the scientists of old,” she told LAist.
That would include the work of Wheeler North, one of Orphan’s heroes. From 1962 to 2002, he conducted pioneering research on the ecology of kelp forests. Orphan said North’s work was instrumental for learning how an imbalance in the sea urchin population can decimate kelp forests.
These days that important research continues, with scientists at the lab looking at how microbes can capture carbon dioxide, mitigating global warming. They even have a 4-foot, bright yellow autonomous vehicle that scans the seafloor so scientists can learn more about seagrasses, which are important for oxygen creation and carbon capture, serve as fish nurseries and help protect the coastline from storm surge.
Kerckhoff Marine Laboratory in Corona del Mar
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“In areas where you have seagrass, you get less sediment erosion [and] a little more protection of the property on land, which people who live on the coast care about,” Orphan explained.
Engineers from Jet Propulsion Laboratory are also interested in using autonomous vehicles in cooperation with the lab to see how they can help study the deep ocean right outside the harbor.
You can visit the lab to learn about all of the science going on there, with free open houses on Tuesdays and monthly ‘Science and Sunsets’ events that include dinner and cocktails at the historic outpost.
Mariana Dale
explores and explains the forces that shape how and what kids learn whether they’re at school or visiting the library.
Published July 10, 2026 5:15 PM
Matthew Reinhart, left, and Daniel González, right, created “Luceros y Penumbras,” a pop-up book seeking to break the world record for size.
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A pop-up book that’s seeking to break the world record for size has unfolded at the Central Library in downtown Los Angeles.
The backstory: Luceros y Penumbras, which roughly translates to “starlight and shadows,” is part of the Central Library’s centennial celebration. The towering tome is rooted in L.A. artist Daniel González’s experience visiting the library and his family in Mexico as a child. “It's a knowledge tree that's been shaped by all these different things that I've learned at the library, about myself, about the city I grew up in [and] about the town where my family's from,” González said.
How it was made: González sketched the images, carved them into linoleum, printed them with ink and then digitized them to add color and other details. Matthew Reinhart, a paper engineer, author and illustrator, designed the three-dimensional build. “ My job is really making mistakes,” Reinhart said. “Making mistakes, figuring out where they are and solving them and— of course— making them look good.”
The stats: Luceros y Penumbras is four pages that open to create two scenes— one of the Central Library building and another of a sprawling tree. The book is 31 feet wide, more than 11 feet tall, and weighs 1,800 pounds.
How to visit: The pop-up book is on display in the rotunda from Saturday through mid-November during the Central Library’s regular hours.
Read on ... to learn more about what it took to create this 1,800-pound pop-up book.
A pop-up book that’s seeking to break the world record for size has unfolded at the Central Library in downtown Los Angeles.
The art piece is 31 feet wide, more than 11 feet tall, and weighs in at 1,800 pounds.
Luceros y Penumbras, which roughly translates to “starlight and shadows,” is rooted in L.A. artist Daniel González’s experience visiting the library and his family in Mexico as a child.
“It's a knowledge tree that's been shaped by all these different things that I've learned at the library, about myself, about the city I grew up in, [and] about the town where my family's from,” González said.
The nonprofit Library Foundation of Los Angeles collaborated with the library to commission the piece as part of the Central Library’s centennial celebration.
The project is inspired, in part, by the library’s Toy Movable collection, an archive of more than 2,000 pop-up books.
“Normal pop-up books … they seem so simple, but something amazing pops out when you open the page,” said Todd Lerew, the foundation’s director of special projects. “That sort of childlike wonder that you feel that's persistent, even as an adult, is something that was really important to capture and dial up to 11 with this project.”
The foundation asked González in June 2025 to create a book that told the story of his personal relationship with the library. As González pondered questions including ”What did the library do for me as a young person?" and "Why was I so attracted to it?" he thought about how knowledge was passed down in his family through the generations.
His grandmother told him stories about the stars above her farm near Teúl, Zacatecas, in Mexico. She said those that emerged at dawn — luceros — were among the most special because they signaled the start of a new day.
“ I looked at those stars … and the histories that my grandparents were sharing with me as these guiding lights,” González said. “Just like the library is a guiding light for many people.”
Daniel González's maternal grandmother, Isabel Gómez, told him stories about the creatures that lived near her farm, including owls, that could teach healing.
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González grew up blocks away from the Benjamin Franklin Library in Boyle Heights.
“ I spent summers there because it was literally the coolest place to be,” González said. “It just gave me the opportunity to explore anything that I had an interest in.”
Daniel González, as a child, after an unsuccessful attempt to make a kite after a trip to the library. "My dad's like, 'I'm gonna take a picture of you so you can see what you look like when you get grumpy,'" he said.
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Later, he’d visit the Central Library during a middle school field trip and return on the bus to wander the stacks and ask the staff questions.
“ I'm really lucky that I met the people that nurtured that curiosity,” González said.
From sketches to ‘paper engineering’
First, González sketched the images, carved them into linoleum, printed them with ink and digitized them to add color and other details.
A few of Daniel González's tools. In the future, he plans to sell prints related to "Luceros y Penumbras."
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Matthew Reinhart, children’s book author, illustrator and “paper engineer,” was tasked with translating the images into three dimensions.
“ My job is really making mistakes,” Reinhart said. “Making mistakes, figuring out where they are and solving them and — of course — making them look good.”
The construction and the fabrication of the book took the work of more than 30 people over a series of months. At least a dozen people using giant poles capped with cushions turn the pages.
Fast facts about Luceros y Penumbras
Dimensions: 31 feet wide, more than 11 feet tall, and Weight: More than 1,800 pounds Materials: paper, corrugated cardboard and fabric Artist:Daniel González Paper engineer:Matthew Reinhart Fabricated by:Goodnight & Co.
Luceros y Penumbras is four pages that open to create two scenes — one of the Central Library building and another of a sprawling tree with an I Spy-like collection of creatures and images throughout. The featured pages will change throughout the exhibition, which is open until mid-November.
There are at least a dozen different symbols throughout “Luceros y Penumbras."
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The sea turtle at the base of the tree is a reference both to the creatures that live in the San Gabriel River and to the original inhabitants of the L.A. basin. The Gabrielino-Tongva Tribe tells a story that connects the region’s earthquakes to the turtles.
“When we think of sea turtles, we think of these faraway places where they live, like tropical places,” González said. “But they exist here and they've had to adapt to a changing climate, a changing environment, and find places to call home, just as people do.”
Other images include:
A star resting in an outstretched hand in honor of Octavia E. Butler, the science fiction writer who also spent time in the library.
Quetzalcoatl, the feathered serpent Aztec deity and a frequent motif in East L.A.’s murals.
An owl, a symbol of knowledge associated with the Greek goddess Athena and the Roman goddess Minerva.
González said the goal is for viewers to create their own narrative about what they see.
“ I just hope that people carry with them a sense of curiosity to further explore the things that I present, but also maybe something within them,” González said.
Visit the pop-up book
Central Library Centennial Festival
See Luceros y Penumbras — and visit LAist — at the celebration of the library’s 100th birthday. When: Saturday, 10 a.m.-4:30 p.m. Cost: Free Address:630 W. Fifth St., Los Angeles More information, including parking, here.
On display
When: Saturday through mid-November Address: Central Library, 630 W. Fifth St. Los Angeles Hours: 10 a.m.-8 p.m. Monday-Wednesday 9:30 a.m.-5:30 p.m. Friday-Saturday 1 p.m.-5 p.m. Sunday Parking: Validated rate available during library hours at 524 S. Flower St., more information