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Nearly a dozen water bottles full of yellow liquid parked outside an Amazon warehouse in Atwater Village hint at what daily life is like for the drivers who deliver your packages. That’s because those bottles, scattered along streets and sidewalks, contain their urine.

As the holiday shopping season kicks into high gear, drivers contracted by Amazon say they’re under such severe pressure to make as many deliveries as possible that they don’t have time to use a restroom while on their route — and that’s on a normal, off-peak time of year.

Kelly Chemidlin, a former driver in L.A., told LAist that peeing in bottles in the back of delivery vans was incredibly common.

“It definitely made me feel a little like, you know, less than — very much just like an object,” she said.

Amazon said in a statement that the company is continually investing in its routing technology, and driver feedback is at the heart of those efforts to build safe, achievable, and sustainable routes.

What a current driver says

A current driver in Los Angeles, who LAist has granted anonymity due to fear of retaliation, confirmed it’s still a regular occurrence.

They said they only started taking their 15-minute breaks about a year into the job, and that it’s always a struggle to find a restroom. They even considered drinking less water, but that didn’t last long once they started getting headaches and cramps.

“I would like to spend my 15, you know, just trying to relax,” they said. “Not to use a 15 finding Waldo — finding a restroom.”

How a female driver coped

Chemidlin delivered from an L.A. warehouse for several months and didn’t think much about the restroom situation until a trainer warned her that finding one might be difficult.

She often delivered in the MacArthur Park area, where she said businesses were quick to turn her down. Chemidlin would rely on fast food restrooms, or getting some grace from a small business.

But that wasn’t enough to stop the panic each time she had to go.

Amazon delivery driver Alejandro Elizondo Torres in Brentwood.

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“I got to the point where I was like, all right, maybe I need to go to, funny enough, Amazon, and buy one of those, like, funnels that girls get for camping so I can, you know, use a water bottle or something,” she told LAist. “Cause that's what all the guys can do … but as a girl I can’t do that.”

But instead of going for the funnel, she started dehydrating herself, even on hot summer days.

“I'm glad I was able to get out of [the job] sooner rather than later,” she said. “I felt down the whole time.”

How a former driver dealt with it

Michael Ward, a former Amazon delivery driver who delivered from the same L.A. warehouse for about three months, said it didn’t seem like an option to not pee in bottles.

“And that's just what people do all day, because you're so scrutinized as far as time and where you are,” he told LAist.

Ward would deliver around 250 packages daily, usually in Beverly Hills, downtown, and Chinatown — where public restrooms are rare.

Drivers are allotted two 15-minute breaks, and a half hour lunch per shift. But he said he never once used the shorter breaks due to delivery demands, time constraints, and Amazon’s surveillance.

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There are cameras in each van and the drivers are tracked by dispatchers, who help manage the routes. If a driver goes off course for their breaks, Ward said they need to be back in the same area by the time the clock runs out.

Ward said drivers have to rely on public restrooms or the kindness of customers if they don’t want to use bottles, but, he added, that’s not usually an option.

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Instead, he would wait until he couldn’t hold it anymore, rush to the back of the van with a bottle, and stash it away until he could dispose of it in a trashcan.

“You lose all hope of being able to use a regular restroom during the day,” he said.

Why you can sometimes see them on the street

Some drivers throw the bottles in a trashcan after their shift, but others will dump them around the warehouse.

In Atwater Village alone, LAist found 11 bottles across three separate visits on Oct. 3, Oct. 8, and Nov. 14 in the immediate vicinity — along San Fernando Road between the Colorado Street freeway exit and Sequoia Street.

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A bottle of urine outside an Amazon facility in Atwater Village.

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A bottle of urine outside an Amazon facility in Atwater Village.

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Most of the bottles were along the street directly across from the warehouse entrances, and one was even sitting open on the sidewalk in front of the building.

Not just an L.A. issue

On the Amazon drivers subreddit, you can find several posts about the practice of peeing in bottles. Some ask where others dispose of the bottles, others discuss what the best bottle is to use.

And last year, three delivery drivers filed a class action lawsuit in Denver alleging similar situations — that Amazon’s work policies require drivers to relieve themselves in bottles, defecate in bags, and in many cases, refrain from using the restroom at risk of serious health consequences.

“Amazon, one of the wealthiest and most powerful corporations in the history of the world, subjects its workers to outrageously bad treatment and outrageous working conditions,” David Seligman, executive director of Towards Justice and one of the attorneys representing the drivers, told LAist.

He noted they’re also bringing a discrimination claim on behalf of female drivers, with some of his clients being told to buy “Shewee” portable urinals.

“If there is a workplace policy that effectively requires you to pee in bottles in order to do the job, then it's, like, inherently and on its face, illegal and discriminatory,” Seligman said. “And that's precisely what Amazon has.”

The company’s response

Amazon acknowledged that drivers do have trouble finding restrooms in a 2021 blog post in which the company apologized for tweeting “you don’t really believe the peeing in bottles thing, do you?”

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“Regardless of the fact that this is industry-wide, we would like to solve it,” Amazon wrote in the blog post, citing articles about Uber, taxis, and UPS. “We don’t yet know how, but will look for solutions.”

Asked what steps have been taken or explored in the more than three years since the blog post was published, Amazon said it’s continually investing in routing technology with driver feedback at the heart of those efforts.

“Our route design and technology accounts for real world factors, including the type of delivery location, walking distance, getting in and out of the vehicle, the size and weight of packages, and environmental factors such as weather,” a company spokesperson said in a statement.

Amazon also offered LAist a brief ride along with one of its drivers, Alejandro Elizondo Torres, who's delivered from a warehouse in Chatsworth for about three years.

Amazon delivery driver Alejandro Elizondo Torres in Brentwood.

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He told LAist he’s able to take bathroom breaks freely.

“We don’t have to say anything, we don’t have to let anyone know,” he said. “We just take it upon ourselves to do our business.”

The app drivers use for deliveries can also point them to the nearest public restroom, but Torres added that he never uses that setting, instead preferring to use his personal phone to find a nearby shopping center or gas station.

How you can help delivery drivers

All of the drivers said being aware of the issue, and being gracious to the people delivering your items, can go a long way.

“The biggest message that I'd like to get out is just for businesses to maybe be a little more friendly towards delivery drivers,” Chemidlin said. “They're not going to go in and trash the place, they just have nowhere else to go.”

Best friends Fernando Delgado and Josh Lee are still riding the high of seeing both their homelands — Mexico and South Korea — win their opening matches at the 2026 World Cup.

That was the easy part.

Now, their teams are going head-to-head and Delgado is hoping for a miracle, but not in the way you might think.

" A draw would be the ideal case," he says. "Because I think other than that, it's gonna be like, 'Oh man.'"

For all of the rivalries and bad blood that sports can foster, something different is in the air ahead of the Mexico vs. South Korea match on Thursday.

Earlier this month, when South Korea's squad arrived at their hotel in Guadalajara, Mexico, they were welcomed by hundreds of Mexican supporters. On social media, countless videos show fun-loving South Korean tourists partying and enjoying World Cup festivities with locals in Mexico — often with the caption, "Coreano, hermano ya eres Mexicano," meaning "Korean, brother, you are Mexican now."

Fans of South Korean and Mexico celebrate together in Guadalajara, Mexico, after the 2026 World Cup match between South Korea and the Czech Republic on June 11.

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The chant is a callback to the 2018 World Cup, the last time the two nations squared off on the global stage. Eight years later, as El Tri and the Taegeuk Warriors face off once again, fans from both sides are rekindling that brotherly love, adding that it's a reflection of a much deeper affinity between the two communities.

"Since then, this idea of Coreano Hermano has really persisted," Lee says, and "led to this greater appreciation for both national teams and both peoples."

How "Coreano, hermano" began

The camaraderie blossomed after the final matches of the group stage at the 2018 World Cup in Russia. After a shocking loss to Sweden, Mexico's chances of advancing to the next round hinged on South Korea beating the defending champions, Germany. Against all odds, the Asian squad pulled off the upset.

The win wasn't enough for South Korea to move forward in the World Cup. But the team was hailed as champions by grateful Mexican fans. Most famously, in Mexico City, supporters marched to the South Korean Embassy, where they hoisted the consul general, Han Byoung-jin, onto their shoulders.

Ray An, a Korean American from Fresno, Calif., was in Russia for the tournament. He recalls being showered with hugs, cheers and shots of tequila. Although he was initially disappointed by South Korea's early exit, those encounters gave him a new perspective.

"This is so much more than football. This is just so much more than winning and losing," he says. "This is what it's really about, right? Creating core memories with strangers in a foreign land."

Years later, An says the 2018 World Cup continues to be a point of connection whenever he meets someone from Mexico.

" Looking back, I mean maybe in the long run, this is actually a better thing for us to have happened," he says, referring to South Korea's failure to advance.

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Geopolitically, Mexico and South Korea are growing closer

When diplomatic relations between South Korea and Mexico formally began in 1962, the friendship was a slow burn, according to José Luis León-Manríquez, who teaches East Asian studies at the Metropolitan Autonomous University in Mexico City.

At the time, there was a strong nationalist sentiment in Mexico, León-Manríquez says, which made the country cautious of building ties with U.S. allies such as South Korea. It wasn't until the late 1980s that the two nations made headway, largely through trade and the arrival of Korean factories in Mexico. This also led to a wave of Korean migration to the country, León-Manríquez says.

" After that, links between both countries have increased a lot. Both in political, but especially in cultural and economic terms," he says.

Today, South Korea is one of Mexico's top trading partners. There's also a sizable Koreatown in Mexico City. Further north, the city of Pesquería — home to a Kia Motors manufacturing plant— is nicknamed "Pescorea" to reflect its large Korean community.

Culturally, Mexico has been swept up in the K-wave — which refers to the global craze for South Korean pop culture. In 2025, Mexico ranked fifth among countries that play the most K-pop, according to Spotify.

Jung Kook (center) and Suga (right) from South Korean K-pop band BTS acknowledge fans next to Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum from the balcony of the National Palace at Zocalo square in Mexico City on May 6.

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A friendship on and off the field

Korean and Mexican soccer fans have a number of theories for the warm ties.

Jean Lim Flores, a Korean American from Los Angeles, attributes it to both teams' underdog status. Despite their rich talent, neither have made it past the round of 16 in over 20 years. Most stubbornly, Mexico hasn't played in the quarterfinals since 1986. South Korea's deepest run was in 2002, when it reached the semifinals and placed fourth.

"Neither of our countries have won the World Cup," she says. "It would be exciting to see either Korea or Mexico win."

Her husband, Shon Flores, who is Mexican American, believes both teams have more heated rivals to focus on, like Japan for South Korea or Brazil and the U.S. for Mexico.

Consul General of Mexico Carlos González Gutiérrez (center) and Consul General of South Korea Youngwan Kim attend a match between Mexican clubs Chivas de Guadalajara and Atlas in Los Angeles on March 29.

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"I can see a lot of this coming together and closeness between some of the other teams, but I don't know about U.S. vs. Mexico," he says.

Others say the kinship over soccer is simply a reflection of the growing connections that already exist, like in Los Angeles, which is home to the largest Korean and Mexican population in the U.S.

Carlos González Gutiérrez and Youngwan Kim are not only consul generals of Mexico and South Korea based in L.A., but they're good friends, partly through their shared love for soccer. Months ago, the pair made a friendly bet over Thursday's match, which kicks off at 9 p.m. ET. If Mexico loses, González Gutiérrez will gift Kim a bottle of tequila. If the opposite happens, Kim will send over some soju. It's not (entirely) about bragging rights.

" This is a sign of friendship between our two countries," González Gutiérrez told NPR recently, adding that it's a "reflection of what already happens in this city on a daily basis."

Over the past year, in L.A.'s Koreatown, where Latino and Asian Americans make up the majority of the neighborhood, many residents have come together against immigration raids.

Paul "PK" Kim is hoping the World Cup will be a chance to unite over some much needed fun and reprieve. Kim is the marketing director at the Los Angeles Korean Festival Foundation, which is organizing a watch party in the heart of Koreatown on Thursday.

"There's always some awkward tension because everybody's competitive," he says. " The more important thing is being together."

Josh Lee and members of the Los Angeles Football Club's Tigers Supporters Group watch the World Cup match between South Korea and the Czech Republic on June 11.

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"En las buenas y en las malas"

Best friends Lee and Delgado met at a watch party for a Los Angeles Football Club game in 2018. Now, the two help lead one of the MLS club's supporters groups, Tigers.

Lee says the group often sings a song that goes, "En las buenas y en las malas." That's how he's approaching Thursday's match — although he says he would like to see South Korea beat Mexico once on the global stage.

"In the good and the bad, we're celebrating together," he says.

Bonyub Koo and Mirella Vargas, a Korean American and Mexican American married couple in L.A., will be rooting for opposing teams come Thursday. But in a way, that makes it more fun.

" Once we found out that they were going to play against each other, we were super happy," she says, calling it "a friendly competition."

Mirella Vargas and her husband, Bonyub Koo, watch a soccer match with their dog in Los Angeles on June 11.

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When the two started dating in 2019, soccer was among the first things they bonded over. Now married, Koo says he's more excited to watch Mexico vs. South Korea than the World Cup final. Given his love for both teams, he can't imagine a scenario where he will come away feeling disappointed.

" Whoever wins, that's my team," he says.

What does the past tell us about the possible outcome on Thursday? Well, the two squads faced off most recently last year at an international friendly in Nashville, Tenn. The final score? 2-2.

Emanuel Hahn, a Korean American photographer based in New York, says he wouldn't be mad if history repeats itself. Hahn, Lee and An are the creators behind the docuseries Korea, Away about the Korean diaspora and their fandom for South Korea's soccer team.

"If we drew with Mexico, I think it would be the ultimate sort of handshake moment," he says. "It's crazy because I don't know if I would say that about any other country."

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LOS ANGELES — Best friends Fernando Delgado and Josh Lee are still riding the high of seeing both their homelands — Mexico and South Korea — win their opening matches at the 2026 World Cup.

That was the easy part.

Now, their teams are going head-to-head and Delgado is hoping for a miracle, but not in the way you might think.

" A draw would be the ideal case," he says. "Because I think other than that, it's gonna be like, 'Oh man.'"

For all of the rivalries and bad blood that sports can foster, something different is in the air ahead of the Mexico vs. South Korea match on Thursday.

Earlier this month, when South Korea's squad arrived at their hotel in Guadalajara, Mexico, they were welcomed by hundreds of Mexican supporters. On social media, countless videos show fun-loving South Korean tourists partying and enjoying World Cup festivities with locals in Mexico — often with the caption, "Coreano, hermano ya eres Mexicano," meaning "Korean, brother, you are Mexican now."

Fans of South Korean and Mexico celebrate together in Guadalajara, Mexico, after the 2026 World Cup match between South Korea and the Czech Republic on June 11.

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The chant is a callback to the 2018 World Cup, the last time the two nations squared off on the global stage. Eight years later, as El Tri and the Taegeuk Warriors face off once again, fans from both sides are rekindling that brotherly love, adding that it's a reflection of a much deeper affinity between the two communities.

"Since then, this idea of Coreano Hermano has really persisted," Lee says, and "led to this greater appreciation for both national teams and both peoples."

How "Coreano, hermano" began

The camaraderie blossomed after the final matches of the group stage at the 2018 World Cup in Russia. After a shocking loss to Sweden, Mexico's chances of advancing to the next round hinged on South Korea beating the defending champions, Germany. Against all odds, the Asian squad pulled off the upset.

The win wasn't enough for South Korea to move forward in the World Cup. But the team was hailed as champions by grateful Mexican fans. Most famously, in Mexico City, supporters marched to the South Korean Embassy, where they hoisted the consul general, Han Byoung-jin, onto their shoulders.

Ray An, a Korean American from Fresno, Calif., was in Russia for the tournament. He recalls being showered with hugs, cheers and shots of tequila. Although he was initially disappointed by South Korea's early exit, those encounters gave him a new perspective.

"This is so much more than football. This is just so much more than winning and losing," he says. "This is what it's really about, right? Creating core memories with strangers in a foreign land."

Years later, An says the 2018 World Cup continues to be a point of connection whenever he meets someone from Mexico.

" Looking back, I mean maybe in the long run, this is actually a better thing for us to have happened," he says, referring to South Korea's failure to advance.

A picture of Mexico and South Korea's flags.

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Geopolitically, Mexico and South Korea are growing closer

When diplomatic relations between South Korea and Mexico formally began in 1962, the friendship was a slow burn, according to José Luis León-Manríquez, who teaches East Asian studies at the Metropolitan Autonomous University in Mexico City.

At the time, there was a strong nationalist sentiment in Mexico, León-Manríquez says, which made the country cautious of building ties with U.S. allies such as South Korea. It wasn't until the late 1980s that the two nations made headway, largely through trade and the arrival of Korean factories in Mexico. This also led to a wave of Korean migration to the country, León-Manríquez says.

" After that, links between both countries have increased a lot. Both in political, but especially in cultural and economic terms," he says.

Today, South Korea is one of Mexico's top trading partners. There's also a sizable Koreatown in Mexico City. Further north, the city of Pesquería — home to a Kia Motors manufacturing plant— is nicknamed "Pescorea" to reflect its large Korean community.

Culturally, Mexico has been swept up in the K-wave — which refers to the global craze for South Korean pop culture. In 2025, Mexico ranked fifth among countries that play the most K-pop, according to Spotify.

Jung Kook (center) and Suga (right) from South Korean K-pop band BTS acknowledge fans next to Mexico's President Claudia Sheinbaum from the balcony of the National Palace at Zocalo square in Mexico City on May 6.

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A friendship on and off the field

Korean and Mexican soccer fans have a number of theories for the warm ties.

Jean Lim Flores, a Korean American from Los Angeles, attributes it to both teams' underdog status. Despite their rich talent, neither have made it past the round of 16 in over 20 years. Most stubbornly, Mexico hasn't played in the quarterfinals since 1986. South Korea's deepest run was in 2002, when it reached the semifinals and placed fourth.

"Neither of our countries have won the World Cup," she says. "It would be exciting to see either Korea or Mexico win."

Her husband, Shon Flores, who is Mexican American, believes both teams have more heated rivals to focus on, like Japan for South Korea or Brazil and the U.S. for Mexico.

Consul General of Mexico Carlos González Gutiérrez (center) and Consul General of South Korea Youngwan Kim attend a match between Mexican clubs Chivas de Guadalajara and Atlas in Los Angeles on March 29.

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"I can see a lot of this coming together and closeness between some of the other teams, but I don't know about U.S. vs. Mexico," he says.

Others say the kinship over soccer is simply a reflection of the growing connections that already exist, like in Los Angeles, which is home to the largest Korean and Mexican population in the U.S.

Carlos González Gutiérrez and Youngwan Kim are not only consul generals of Mexico and South Korea based in L.A., but they're good friends, partly through their shared love for soccer. Months ago, the pair made a friendly bet over Thursday's match, which kicks off at 9 p.m. ET. If Mexico loses, González Gutiérrez will gift Kim a bottle of tequila. If the opposite happens, Kim will send over some soju. It's not (entirely) about bragging rights.

" This is a sign of friendship between our two countries," González Gutiérrez told NPR recently, adding that it's a "reflection of what already happens in this city on a daily basis."

Over the past year, in L.A.'s Koreatown, where Latino and Asian Americans make up the majority of the neighborhood, many residents have come together against immigration raids.

Paul "PK" Kim is hoping the World Cup will be a chance to unite over some much needed fun and reprieve. Kim is the marketing director at the Los Angeles Korean Festival Foundation, which is organizing a watch party in the heart of Koreatown on Thursday.

"There's always some awkward tension because everybody's competitive," he says. " The more important thing is being together."

Josh Lee and members of the Los Angeles Football Club's Tigers Supporters Group watch the World Cup match between South Korea and the Czech Republic on June 11.

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"En las buenas y en las malas"

Best friends Lee and Delgado met at a watch party for a Los Angeles Football Club game in 2018. Now, the two help lead one of the MLS club's supporters groups, Tigers.

Lee says the group often sings a song that goes, "En las buenas y en las malas." That's how he's approaching Thursday's match — although he says he would like to see South Korea beat Mexico once on the global stage.

"In the good and the bad, we're celebrating together," he says.

Bonyub Koo and Mirella Vargas, a Korean American and Mexican American married couple in L.A., will be rooting for opposing teams come Thursday. But in a way, that makes it more fun.

" Once we found out that they were going to play against each other, we were super happy," she says, calling it "a friendly competition."

Mirella Vargas and her husband, Bonyub Koo, watch a soccer match with their dog in Los Angeles on June 11.

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When the two started dating in 2019, soccer was among the first things they bonded over. Now married, Koo says he's more excited to watch Mexico vs. South Korea than the World Cup final. Given his love for both teams, he can't imagine a scenario where he will come away feeling disappointed.

" Whoever wins, that's my team," he says.

What does the past tell us about the possible outcome on Thursday? Well, the two squads faced off most recently last year at an international friendly in Nashville, Tenn. The final score? 2-2.

Emanuel Hahn, a Korean American photographer based in New York, says he wouldn't be mad if history repeats itself. Hahn, Lee and An are the creators behind the docuseries Korea, Away about the Korean diaspora and their fandom for South Korea's soccer team.

"If we drew with Mexico, I think it would be the ultimate sort of handshake moment," he says. "It's crazy because I don't know if I would say that about any other country."

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Our first taste of summer arrives as it officially begins this weekend. Some parts of SoCal could see triple-digit temperatures, according to the National Weather Service.

The agency said temperatures could reach 103 degrees in Woodland Hills and 97 degrees in Van Nuys. Temperatures in the high 80s are forecasted for Long Beach and Los Angeles.

The heat moves in on Monday and could last through the week. Forecasters said the heat will peak mid-week, with Thursday set to be the hottest day. Widespread heat advisories are also possible.

Temperature “warm-ups” are typical heading into July, according to Ryan Kittell, a senior meteorologist at the National Weather Service.

Mike Wofford, a lead forecaster at the agency, added that they’re also seeing warmer ocean temperatures as part of the El Niño weather pattern. He said El Niño’s effects will kick in fully later in the summer.

The beaches are still dealing with dangerous conditions. Heavy surf, high tides and rip currents are expected to last at least until Thursday. Wofford said these particular conditions may ease, but the agency is anticipating a “long-period swell” later this week.

As for the many World Cup events taking place across Los Angeles, Wofford said the agency has briefed city and county officials on the heat conditions for next week. He said heat effects at gatherings might be “significant” because of the high volume of people, some of whom may not be used to SoCal weather.

Anyone planning to spend the day outside should drink plenty of water, even if they’re not thirsty. Try to wear loose clothing and hats, and stay in air conditioning or shade as much as you can. If you begin to feel dizzy, look for medical assistance, move to a cooler area, and drink water. Extreme heat is dangerous — here’s what else you should know about the signs.

The Los Angeles Sheriff Civilian Oversight Commission on Monday sued the Sheriff’s Department for allegedly failing to comply with three subpoenas seeking information involving a deputy shooting and two deputy beatings.

The legal action seeks to force the department to comply with the subpoenas.

The panel first issued the subpoenas in February 2025. Sheriff Robert Luna responded with extensively redacted documents, arguing much of the information was confidential.

But a new state law that took effect this year grants civilian law enforcement oversight boards access to previously restricted confidential peace officer records during misconduct investigations.

The chair of the commission said access to such records is essential to civilian oversight.

“Independent review must occur,” said Hans Johnson. “Internal review is not sufficient. Internal review does not build public confidence.”

After the state law was enacted Jan. 1, Luna and the county lawyers who advise him offered a different argument for not fully complying with the subpoenas. They said the sheriff must meet and confer with the union that represents rank and file deputies before releasing confidential information.

Robert Bonner, a former chair of the civilian panel who is now representing the commission on a pro bono basis, called the argument “ridiculous.”

“This is state law that says we can do this,” he said. “There’s no legal requirement to meet and confer with the unions so they can modify or delay in any way the enforcement of these subpoenas.”

A statement from the Sheriff’s Department said the agency “embraces oversight, transparency and accountability; however, we must follow the law.”

The department also said recent court cases have warned against bypassing the meet and confer process, and that the county was "obligated to work with labor on the impact the implementation of laws has on our employees.”

“As a result, the better course is to complete the meet and confer process and ensure that all concerns are addressed and that the voices of our employees are heard in this important process,” the department added.

The subpoenas involve three incidents.

One of them seeks all investigative materials relating to Andres Guardado, an 18-year-old who was fatally shot in the back after a brief foot chase in West Rancho Dominguez in 2020. The two deputies involved in the shooting were later sentenced to federal prison for an unrelated incident. The two admitted to kidnapping and abusing a skateboarder.

The information provided to the civilian commission on this incident was heavily redacted, according to the lawsuit.

“Particularly troubling is the complete redaction of a 60-page ‘Supplemental Report’ from the Homicide Bureau investigation as it appears to relate to the investigation of allegations that the deputy sheriff who shot and killed Andres Guardado may have aspired to become a member of a Deputy Gang called the Executioners,” the lawsuit states.

A second subpoena requests information related to Emmet Brock, a 23-year-old transgender man who was violently taken down by a deputy outside a 7-Eleven in 2023 after Brock had given the deputy the middle finger. The deputy later pleaded guilty to a federal civil rights violation.

At least eight other deputies were relieved of duty for allegedly helping the deputy cover up his misconduct.

The third subpoena involves the case of Joseph Perez, who was beaten by deputies from the Industry Sheriff’s Station in East Valinda in 2020. The department deemed the actions by deputies were within policy. Perez has filed a civil rights lawsuit.

Bonner warned that if the Sheriff’s Department is successful in blocking access to confidential records in these and other cases, oversight of the agency will be very difficult.

“It will never be an effective oversight commission,” Bonner said. “It will just be window dressing.”

He added that county lawyers clearly have a conflict of interest in the matter, representing both the sheriff and the oversight panel.

County counsel did not respond to a request for comment.