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Loose Change, 2nd Edition
So here it is. The sixth anniversary of September 11th. I don't know how you feel about that. I was raised in lower Manhattan, so I am, as I am sure you can imagine, very sentimental and sad today to say the least. But saying that I am "sad and sentimental" is an understatement.
I am also angry and frustrated. Even after six years and one cross-country move to get away from things that remind me of the tragedy, I still think about September 11th everyday. When I moved to Los Angeles about a year and a half ago, I did so hoping that it would be a 9/11 out-of-sight-out-of-mind escape. But that has not happened.
I still hold my breath and close my eyes, anticipating the worst, every time I hear low-flying aircraft, loud explosive noises, and emergency response vehicles. I still wince to prevent myself from crying each and every time I give a moment's glance to the New York skyline that raised me.
Having grown up where I did, many of the childhood pictures of me and my little brother have the Twin Towers in the background. I can't stand to look at them. It is as if I am looking at two steel-framed ghosts and not my fond memories. I used to play tag and tell secrets on the grounds of the World Trade Center. I fell in love there...twice. But all of those memories are also trashed and contaminated with tragedy. When I became old enough to walk myself home from my music lessons, I would use those towers as a landmark to find my way back home and it worked every time. I never got lost. But now, it is as if I have no home to go home to. My home is ruined. My home was incinerated along with the thousands who died there. My dearest and closest friends still live just a few blocks away from the spot where the World Trade Center used to be. Now that they have their own kids, I wonder what they use as a landmark to get themselves home in the lower Manhattan labyrinth of alleys.
For a while, I used to wonder if there was something wrong with me for having these thoughts and I used to wonder why I can't stop thinking them. But I don't wonder about that anymore. I know why. One reason is that it is clear now that the Bush Administration used September 11th to justify a seemingly endless occupation of the Middle East that has resulted in the deaths of thousands of American soldiers and tens of thousands of innocent Afghani and Iraqi civilians. As far as I am concerned all of those people are September 11th victims as well.
Another reason is that the official report of exactly what happened on September 11th just doesn't make any fucking sense! Not logically. Not scientifically. Not mechanically, nor technologically. Eyewitnesses at the scene of the World Trade Towers and the Pentagon on September 11th, 2001 tell a story that is very different from that of the Bush Administration. And it is the eyewitnesses that the science is siding with. When all is said and done, it really looks like the Bush Administration orchestrated the whole thing. Common sense and logic point to a terrorist attack on American people by our own damned government.
I have heard folks calling this notion a "crazy conspiracy theory." But that is clearly only because they have never seen Loose Change, a documentary that simply and methodically dissects all of factual holes that are present in the official September 11th reports. You can watch Loose Change, 2nd Edition here by clicking on the YouTube screen above. If you want to learn more about the content of the documentary, you can go to the We Are Change website. Now excuse me as I must go and call my New York contingency...I have some commiserating to do.
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"When all is said and done, it really looks like the Bush Administration orchestrated the whole thing. Common sense and logic point to a terrorist attack on American people by our own damned government.
I hate the current administration more than the next guy but a statement that bolds needs more than a "check out this video and website" to back it up. Otherwise it's pretty irresponsible of you, Mialka. It's the sort of the thing you'd expect from a livejournal entry, not a site as professional as LAist.
I just wanted to let you know that I totally get it. Although I didn't live in lower Manhattan I basically grew up there too. My family's business has been located there since before I was born so no matter where I actually lived (Brooklyn, Staten Island or here in Los Angeles)that area has always been home to me. I too have tons of photos of myself at various ages posing at the Trade Center, especially in front of the fountain. When I was little my maternal grandmother worked in an office in one of the towers. A close family friend worked in a salon in the mall but luckily she was running late 6 years ago. I too have a difficult time looking at the skyline without it and see old photos that include it. Luckily, my paternal grandmother wasn't hurt that day. As soon as planes were flying again I went back to help her but also because I needed to see it myself to believe my buildings were gone. Although she swore she'd never go downtown again after the thins she saw that day my grandmother has reopened her candy store at John Street and Broadway. Of course business is not the same as it was before the attacks but what is?
I have seen Loose Change, and what I saw was a bunch of pseudo-science and leaps in logic worthy of the Bush administration itself. To say that the official explanation defies science is to say you don't understand science. The physics of what happened in those towers and at the pentagon all make perfect sense. Anybody with any amount of reason can answer every question those Loose Change kids propose.
I get so sick of this line of thinking and the willingness of people to abandon reason and yet believe the most outlandish conspiracy. It's no better than saying God smacked the towers down in wrath and fury.
Mialka, I lived in New York on September 11th too. While I don't have the same ties to New York you do, I still think of September 11th often, and I can't bear to watch video footage or photos of the towers from that day.
You write: "For a while, I used to wonder if there was something wrong with me for having these thoughts and I used to wonder why I can't stop thinking them."
I mean this in the nicest possible way: I don't think there's anything wrong with you, but I do think you have some symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, which is entirely normal under these circumstances. I know I had some of that myself. I went to therapy after September 11th (and I'm still in it, though primarily for other reasons now) and it really helped me deal with all the emotions surrounding that day. If you're a believer in therapy and can afford it, I urge you to talk to someone about this. I think you'll find it very beneficial. I'm sure this is impacting your life in more ways than you can imagine, it certainly was impacting mine.
Torr talking about professionalism? The irony.
For the record, I dismissed Loose Change for a long time too. I thought there is no way that these silly college kids know what they are talking about. I though there is no way that the government would do such a thing. But then I started to notice that the BBC and CBC were airing similar documentaries and that there have been other instances where an American Administration has attacked its own citizens. And now, frankly, I don't think that it is careless to say so. Even without the science, or "psuedo-science," you only need common sense and some emergency responder testimony to know that something is totally, shamefully wrong with this picture.
I hate all these fucking Conspiracy Theorists desicrating the memory of those who died that day. Fuck 'Loose Change' and fuck extreme liberals.
No. I am not a Republican.
Of course something is wrong with the picture ... terrorists flew planes into 110-story buildings, which subsequently collapsed. New York City was woefully unprepared for it, and chaos reigned for a while. Unfortunately, that chaos took lives. That doesn't mean it was all planned out.
And I'm sorry, but you can't take the science out of it, and despite what the Loose Change kids or Rosie O'Donnell will tell you, the science fits.
And in the tradition of the Loose Change kids, ask yourself this red-herring question: How could an administration which has proven itself to be so astoundingly incompetant time after time ever pull off what would have to be the most flawlessly-executed conspiracy in the history of the world, without anybody coming forward? It's too James Bond to believe.
#8, you bring up a good question. so i will answer your red herring question with another
what if this administration isn't incompetent at all. what if all along they wanted to triple gas prices, stay in iraq, and fill the coffers of haliburton, et al?
what if they're doing exactly what they always wanted to do - get as rich as they can get for as long as they can stay office.
they werent incompetent about getting in office and staying there. they figured out how to keep those voting machines, they figured out how to invade iraq and stay there despite lack of wmds, despite lack of iraqis in those planes six years ago.
theyre not as dumb as people say they are. at all. therefore, what if theyre doing exactly what they set out to do?
I think that the only way to honor the dead is to find out who is responsible for their deaths, and to do our damndest to bring the families of the dead some legal justice.
And the Administration is not incompetant. They are just selfish and self-serving and very good at busting out with things like the Patriot Act to cover their utterly flawed asses.
Anyone interested in Loose Change should take a look at this dissenting view:
http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/military_law/1227842.html
and this debate between the authors of above and filmmakers of Loose Change:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=stVmEmJ666M
Please stop with the conspiracy. I too am from the NY metro area and although I did not grow up in the shadow of the towers, I spent most of my teens and 20's downtown - and I am totally unmoored by their absence in the skyline. My first Christmas trip back afterward, I started sobbing when I saw the skyline with my own eyes. I have not yet been able to go to the site or near it - I have gotten lost in Soho and Tribecca, which I once knew so well because they aren't there to guide me....but this conspiracy talk does no good to anyone.
We all want answers. But seriously, talk to an engineer, someone who understands the science of the collapse, ...talk to someone who has counselled PTSD victims - people at the scene of a dramatic event often do not remember things accuratly. It is a form of self defense for the brain to shield itself, to try to make a story of what occured. Assault and rape victims often have blanks or innaccurate facts that they cling to, as it's all they have.
Nothing will make this better or fix anything. But you are seeking direction and being misdirected.
Oh, and by the way, I am a life long leftie democrate from NY, I hate Bush, and what he is doing with this crisis....what he has done to the US reputation worldwide - we are akin nazis now...the death afterwards of civillians and our military.
But that doesn't change the facts.
What if te Canadian border patrol hadn't stopped the explosives that were headed to LAX in 2000? Would that be a conspiracy too, even though it would have happened under Clinton?
One question for all you consiracy theorists out there. You say the towers collapse looked like it was a controlled demolition. have any of you ever seen a builing collapse that wasnt a controlled demolition. No? So what your saying is that you have nothing to compare the WTC collapse to.
Way to go! Great what a waste of time your conspiracy was. I just debunked it on LAist of all places!
I was with you until the second-to-last paragraph. People come up with these outlandish scenarios as a form of therapy, but really it's ultimately self-defeating (not to mention completely disrespectful to those who perished that day). I understand. You need some sort of other explanation in order to cope. How could the United States, that blanket of protection that you knew so well as a child, be so easily penetrated by those wishing us harm? And what's to stop it from happening again? Better to know an enemy with a familiar face, rather than a mysterious terrorist that cannot be so easily manifested in ones thoughts.
You should seek some professional help. You have let this fester in your mind for six years now, and that is so unhealthy, I cannot imagine what you must be going through.
P.S. The Popular Science investigation into Loose Change is devastating and really disarms the kids that cooked it up...take a peek at it.
"When all is said and done, it really looks like the Bush Administration orchestrated the whole thing. Common sense and logic point to a terrorist attack on American people by our own damned government."
OH PLEASE. You are such a freak. Look, I hate bush and the war in Iraq, but what happened on September 11th, 2001 was not done by our government.
Loose Change is right up there with Elvis is still alive and UFO's carrying little green men crash landed at Area 51.
Dumb asses.
Much more credible: 9/11 Press for Truth.
http://www.911pressfortruth.com/#
Does no one remember in 93 when they tried to topple the towers by detonating a bomb at the base of one and knocking them over like dominos? Turned out that it wasn't possible, and that the terrorists didn't understand the science behind taking a skyscraper down. Neither do the makers of Loose Change.
This is like backseat driving a surgeon at work when you have never performed surgery yourself...when you have no medical know how other than a copy of a bio textbook....or talking to Oliver Stone about JFK. You can see what you want to see and ignore science and facts, but don't ask the rest of us to ride along.
This has nothing to do with Republican/Democrat partisanship. And where are these facts? America, no, the world deserves to see these facts. That is the whole point. That is why I decided to post Loose Change. The film is really just asking for the facts. It is asking for something concrete. It is asking for transparency. We are all waiting for the facts.
There is something wrong with me. You are right. But it has nothing to do with PTSD. I get my more than my fair share of theraputic help. What is wrong with me is that I am wasting time engaging myself in a conversation with a single someone called "guest" who just doesn't get it. Good night.
I think you're ALL right to degrees.
Loose change does have plenty of shaky science and leaps in logic. But it also makes plenty of good points and raises many legitimate questions.
When it comes down to it, I don't think these kids have it right. But I do think there is more to the story than the "official version." And whatever that "more" is, it probably implicates someone in our government somewhere. Someone like Cheney? I firmly believe that Bush is merely a figurehead.
Like the Kennedy assasination, we'll likely never know the truth. But something stinks to high heaven, for sure. It's just like the 2004 election--when government officials scramble to prevent an investigation, something is seriously wrong. Common sense tells you that where there is smoke there is fire.
What if loose change is merely disinformation? A straw man to conceal the REAL conspiracy?
How to Commemorate 9/11... Watch Loose Change? Really... Come on, really??? I'm from DC. I took the subway home that day in what can only be called a ghost city. I drove past a flaming Pentagon. That smell will never leave me. And believe me I hate Bush like a cat hates a bath, but this Loose Change shit is ba'tarded. 9/11 was a complex, multi-faceted event, by reducing it to a conspiracy theory you fail to grasp how the world really works: chaotically. It's not ordered, it's not structured, things happen and sometimes there's no real discernible reason for them.
You shouldn't trust the government, but you should use your head. Bush and Cheney jerk off to conspiracy theories, you play into their hands with this stupid ass shit.
amazing how many people swear that they hate bushco (in very creative and funny ways, i might add) but totally give them a complete pass on 9/11
despite all the weird fucked up questions that films like loose change and f9/11 brought up. im not saying that either of those films are perfect, but neither are the answers from the administration.
and im not saying that dems who hate bush more than a blank hates a blank arent being sincere in their anonymous comments in here when they say that no way in hell could an administration that
- lied about wmds
- outted a 20 year cia agent during wartime
- have no intention of finding osama
- accidentally tripled gas prices giving their oil family and friends record profits
- accidentally sent haliburton stocks through the roof to the benefit of former employees and friends
- got caught letting a gay male hooker into the white house press corps every day for a year on day passes
- got caught paying off the press to write pro-bushco stories
- wiped their ass with the geneva convention
- tortured people in sick and perverse ways and - bitched out the new york times for covering it
- lied about their secret prisons
- and never had any intention of retaliating against the country where the majority of the hijackers were from
would ever be capable of having a hand in something as terrible as 9/11
if you as a democrat and an alleged bush-hater says that the most corrupt administration of all time cant be suspected of things that they dont even want to talk about, then whats suspicious is you
im not saying that i think they did it, but im saying that at this point, after six years of this bullshit from the most secretive most fascist most selfish and full of shit administration ever, im not ruling anything out, and i wonder how anyone can.
how many more harriet myers's will it take for you to see that theyre playing a very different game than the rest of us.
The only "hand" I believe Bushco could have had on that day was knowing more than they own up too and purposely ignoring some of it, basically allowing the day to happen, because they didn't think it would turn out or be as bad as it was, and they figured they could use it to their gain the future. But that's it. Saying they orchestrated it, that the pentago was was hit by a missile, that those planes were merely "drone" planes (so where are all the people huh geniuses>) is pure bunk.
"There is something wrong with me. You are right. But it has nothing to do with PTSD. I get my more than my fair share of theraputic help. What is wrong with me is that I am wasting time engaging myself in a conversation with a single someone called "guest" who just doesn't get it. Good night."
Like the entire pathetic laist staff, you paranoidly feel that everyone who posts as "guest" is the same person (it's not) and get very mad when people post as "guest". Register! Register! Your fearless leader screams and the rest of you parrot, and yet, anyone can still register with a psuedonym and a webmail address set up purposely and specifically for said psuedonym.
You're all such idiots.
Guest #8 here ... sorry, had to sleep.
Tony, logic just doesn't point to Bush having a hand in this, no matter how much you would like it to be the case. The amount of effort, the number of people required to participate, the the number of steps requiring exact precision and perfection are just too big. Any conspiracy that could pull this off becomes unwieldy to a point far beyond absurdity. The mind that could accomplish this without a hitch would have to be superhuman in nature, something beyond the scope of humanity.
I understand that conspiracy is much more comfortable than reality. Otherwise it becomes possible for 19 guys with a grudge to kill 3,000 of us and affect millions of lives, just as in 1963 it became possible for a single deranged man to kill a president. We'd rather give ourselves the secuirty of believing such things must have the power of nations behind them. It makes the world less dangerous when we believe a very few people can't destory us.
Please, look at the Popular Mechanics article someone posted above. Look at the debate with the Loose Change guys. The science makes sense. The physics is logical. Don't distract yourself from the real world with this crap. Look at the world for what it is and do your best to change it.
Clint
it's much more comfortable to believe something like 9/11 couldn't be perpetrated by 19 guys with grudges, just as it was more comfortable in 1963 to believe a single nutcase couldn't take down a president, but the world really is that dangerous. And the idea that Bush and Company have somehow engineered the entire last 8 years to such perfection is far more unlikely a proposition
Side note ... the last paragraph of my post # 26 was meant to be deleted ... editing mistake.
Clint
First things first. "guest" in Post number 25: "paranoidly" is not a word.
Second of all:
You didn't need explosives to drop those buildings.
I just can't stop commenting on this can I? First I want to say, I'm not into calling questions regarding something that is not transparent "a conspiracy theory." So from now on I'm gonna call it "big ol' lie theory."
And now my main point -- I want to thank you for the link to the Popular Mechanics (PM) article and debate. I love it when people share information. I have been reading through it. But it too has problems for me to blindly accept it as an answer. I could write several pages on the matter. I took a really great class at CSULA about how to dissect media in order to find fallacies, and now I totally love doing so, but then I unfortunately become long-winded.
But for starters, the PM article claims that in order to write the article, they used 70 individual professional consultants at one point in the piece, but over 300 individuals and organizations at another point. I don't know which it is and they only credit a few at the end. They do do a good job of providing internal citations in the piece, but they have these deceptive little fake links. At first glance, if you don't bother to click on them, it kinda makes the whole thing look extra-legitimate. And I'm not saying that the article is not legitimate at this point, but when you click on the links thinking that you will have the instant gratification of immediately seeing their source document, you learn that the highlighted link words such as "website" and "government" are actually links to Best Buy, Intel, HP, and the like. And by "and the like" I mean advertisers selling products. I think that is deceptive. Anyway, I question whether or not they cherry-picked their information. With all of hundreds of sources, they only mention of a very few, relatively speaking.
It is also important to remember that the article is now two years old, so some the info in the article has changed.
At this point I have not had time to look up all of the PM cited sources, and I do intend to, but I see a pattern in the piece. For the really silly claims, the ones that are obviously not true, they provide really good sources. But for the harder claims, they use source information that I could easily discredit. For example, FEMA is not a good source. FEMA has no credibility. That is a pretty bad source choice. I know that the article was published several months before FEMA fucked up in New Orleans, so maybe they didn't know that FEMA is full of it at the time. That is totally understandable. But, they also site the National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST). Their consultant from the NIST is a guy by the name of James Quintiere. Quintiere is a very reputable guy supposedly. His resume and experience in fire science is impressive. But Quintiere has made official testimony to the Congress and at public engagements to the effect that the NIST has not done their job to thoroughly or conclusively rule out the possibility of there having been internal explosive devices within the WTC and that he thinks that an independent investigation is needed. His professional experience has led him to believe they have not provided substantial evidence to support the claims that they have made on the NIST website.
Also, it is totally weird for that PM has decided to fully accept the offical Administration story.
And also, why are people so anti-student truth movement? Was it not students that propelled the Civil Rights Movement? Was it not students who made a stand against the Vietnam War? Why are these students not credible? I watched the Democracy Now Debate, and PM doesn't make a flawless case. So PM doesn't have the answers either.
And lastly, for now, I would rather have the comfort of knowing conclusively that my own country has not done such a horrific thing. I feel much less safe knowing that my government is not transparent with its own citizens. Frankly, it is much much much more comfortable to believe that some outsider crazy cave-mountain extremist dude is responsible for all this. I hope that the official story turns out to be the reality. I think everybody in this country hopes that the official story is the truth. It is the difference between getting beat up once by the school bully or having a parent abuse you daily for your whole childhood.
Mialka,
I kind of wish I could sit down with you and go over the PM article step-by-step, as a discussion in the comments section of LAist just isn't conducive to either of us getting our points across. But here are my thoughts, nonetheless.
For starters, while poorly worded on PM's part, the 70 experts vs. 300 experts are citing two different groups. PM says on its first page that it questioned 70 experts with regards to the 16 most-prevalent theories. On the last page, it says it sought help from 300 experts on 9/11 theories in general. So ... 70 experts for the top 16 theories, 300 experts for ALL theories.
Next, the "fake links" you note aren't really fake links at all. In fact, I don't think the authors of the piece have much to do with them. I admit, I'm not familiar with certain aspects of the internet, but I see this type of thing on a lot of sites. I've even seen it on the -ists from time-to-time. I'm not sure how it works, maybe it's a hack or the result of some bug that's made it through my firewall ... but it's random advertising linking off keywords embedded in the article. And it really has nothing to do with the article's content.
Which I think is the important measure of the article: the content. Look at what it says. Read the explanations it gives in answer to the conspiracy theory questions. Can you use science and reason to debunk these answers?
I'm not anti-student truth movement, though to compare these Loose Change kids with the leaders of the Civil Rights movement is ludicrous. I am against these particular kids because they use circular logic and a basic misunderstanding of science coupled with their own false expectations to perpetuate a distraction. Consider ... how much effort does this drive to explain what is already explained take away from matters of real concern, like questioning or justification for war or our reaction to Katrina? You're fighting the wrong battle here.
Clint
The Popular Mechanics article is suspicious because it purposely cherry picks the most outrageous claims to debunk.
It is by no means a comprehensive rebuttal of the 9/11 truth movement. It simply makes handy use of several straw men to divert attention from the legitimate questions.
Which makes its motivations very suspect.
There are many rebuttals to the article out there easily found via google.
BTW, the official version of 9/11 is as much a conspiracy theory as the most half-baked of 9/11 theories. Either way it was a conspiracy among someone and they're all theories because we were never given concrete proof that it was Al Queda that did this. OBL was the first terrorist to apparently deny his handywork if you believe what you're told.
That said, there are two prevailing conspiracy theories out there: LIHOP (Let it Happen on Purpose)and MIHOP (Made it Happen on Purpose). Personally, I think the "on purpose" part is a bit redundant but perhaps someone thought it made for better acronyms.
If anything, I think they let it happen.
Yeah, they probably thought OBL couldn't pull anything "too bad" off and had their eyes on the prize as far as how they could use this to their advantage. One only needs to look at Bush's lack of legitimacy/political capital in 2001 and the veritable wish list of civil liberty erosions/corporate bailouts/military-industrial complex gains that resulted from 9/11 to zero in on a motive.
I too have watched "Loose Change", read the PM article and tons of other information, including the superbly maintained 9/11 Timeline at Cooperative Research, and I honestly can't see why anyone would claim to know the complete story of what happened on 9/11. Yes, there are holes in the official story and there are HUGE leaps in logic present in "Loose Change", but that doesn't mean a conspiracy (or at least, a vast coordinated effort that involved all levels of government) needed to take place for the attacks to be carried out.
For one, I don't buy that this administration has the wherewithal to even pull something like this off. I know Tony makes the argument that many of their fuck ups could actually be intentional because of how they end up benefiting the administration or their friends, but there are other things like the Katrina debacle which exhibit a real failure to even consider the most basic understanding of strategic planning. Second, such a vast conspiracy doesn't even need to exist for the administration to at least be partially culpable in its completion. Like Pearl Harbor, it is also possible that Bush and Co. just allowed the attacks to take place (or at least, didn't do their best to prevent them) because it ultimately gave them political cover to advance their geo-political interests much more quickly than anything they could do on their own. There's also the very real possibility that 19 hijackers acted alone and were successful because they caught our nation off-guard.
The point is that nobody knows and we might very well never learn the truth. What I do know is that the administration's repeated attempts to suppress any independent inquiry or investigation into what really happened that day gives off the appearance that they have something to hide. Whether it is nefarious motives to ensure the success of the attacks, or meerly embarrassing lapses in competance they are trying to conceal remains to be seen.
BTW Mialka, those "fake links" in th PM article are nothing more than contextual advertisements from an content ad network called Vibrant Media. Basically, an advertiser pays Vibrant to match an ad for their website with keywords that are present within articles found in Vibrant's ad network. PM is just one of hundreds of websites that have partnered with Vibrant.
Hmm ... you know, I think Mr. Smokes Quanity may actually be one of the few internet debaters able to rationally approach an argument in a way that encourages reevaluation. He makes some very good points, in that we really can't know the truth of 9/11.
This doesn't cause me to reconsider the absurdity of the Loose Change argument, or even the possiblity that Bush & Co. knew what was coming and let it happen ... but I can accept that the latter portion is merely my opinion. You can never prove a negative, after all. You can never prove there's not a God. I see the administration's suppressive tendencies as a kind of fascist incompetance. You see more nefarious motivations. Which of us is right? Niether of us can ever know. We both simply have to choose to believe whatever we can live with, whatever allows us to deal with this unimaginable event and somehow move past it, but that's all it ever is ... a belief.
Either way, I wish you the best. I hope you find some way to move on.
Clint
I disagree. I don't see why we can't know exactly what happened. Especially when whatever did happen was used as a launching pad for invading two countries, compromising our civil liberties, ignoring the Geneva Conventions, killing and mutilating thousands, and wasting billions of dollars. The world deserves to know and world deserves to know now.
There are other highly credible experts that debunk the controlled demolition wackiness. This just in, from Cambridge. It directly addresses the claims by conspiracy fantasy buffs,specifically the idea that the speed at which the towers fell points to a controlled demolition. As we see again here, it's simply not the case.
http://newsvote.bbc.co.uk/mpapps/pagetools/print/news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/6987965.stm
I have some personal familiarity with one of the most well known US family-run demolition companies. They can take *weeks* to drill, cut and jackhammer the concrete and steel supports to sufficiently weaken portions of a high-rise building. Then more time is required to plan and plant the explosives for what becomes their best possible educated guess at creating a safe and controlled demolition. It's messy, noisy work. No one has presented any evidence that this monumental task could have been handled secretly and quietly on not one, but two of the tallest buildings in the world at the time.
Last, notice that conspiracy theorists when confronted with rational arguments tend to respond with personal insults and attacks. The rest of us are often referred to on these websites as "sheep". Uh, OK. Sleep well, buddy - "paranoia will destroy ya".
I know this thread has faded into internet obscurity by now (probably for the best), but if you're still around Mialka maybe you could help answer a question that loose change pretty much avoids:
Can you just lay out your whole, complete summary of what you believe really happened on that day?