The Esalen Institute, complete with natural hot springs and a stunning location on the Pacific coast, was born during the California of the 1960's and is still considered a leader in alternative and experiential education. Larry talks with author Jeffrey Kripal about his new book, Esalen: America and the Religion of No Religion (University of Chicago Press), which tells the story of the creation of the institute by Michael Murphy and Richard Price, who worked to fuse Eastern spirituality with Western science into a utopian vision that rejected the dogmas of conventional religion.