Between "Portlandia," "Documentary Now" and "Seth Meyers: Late Night," Fred Armisen may be the hardest working man in show business; since its release in May, Ezra Edelman's "O.J." Made in America" continues to resonate as a chronicle of the relationship between African-Americans and law enforcement.
Cops on TV: 'OJ: Made in America' and the LAPD's troubled race relations
When riots raged for a week in the Watts neighborhood of Los Angeles in 1965, news cameras documented the violent clashes between the Los Angeles Police Department and the black residents. But in the context of 2016, watching that footage in the ESPN documentary "O.J.: Made in America" feels oddly resonant.
According to Bernard Parks, who was the LAPD chief from 1997-2002, the footage of the 1965 riots showed the nation something that people in communities of color in LA knew all too well.
The Watts riot was one of the first major events in the city of L.A. that was caught on TV. People who grew up looking at those kinds of activities in the South, they thought that's where all of the racial divide was. The only thing that was missing in L.A. is there weren't dogs.
Parks is one of many voices in the seven plus hour documentary which premiered at the Sundance Film Festival in January, then screened in theaters and on ESPN in May. While the film is named for O.J. Simpson, Director Ezra Edelman tells The Frame's John Horn that he wasn't interested in O.J.'s guilt or innocence. The larger themes were about race in America and how the 1994-95 trial polarized the public. Edelman sought to put the O.J. story in the context of a city that had wrestled for decades, well before the 1991 Rodney King beating, with a contentious relationship between the black community and the LAPD. This is what makes an interview with Ezra Edelman, director of "O.J.: Made in America," a fitting installment in "The Frame's" Cops on TV series.
To hear the full interview click the play button in the top left of this page or get the podcast on iTunes. Interview highlights below.
Interview Highlights:
Viewing the Rodney King beating as a teenager in Washington, D.C.:
That was an event that I remember engaging with, but it wasn't necessarily what the conversation was at home that I remember. But where I went to high school — I went to a quaker school in Washington. So every week we have something called meeting for worship. The entire student body sits in the gym and you sit in silence unless you are moved to speak. There are many of these weeks where you sit in meeting for worship for what is 45 minutes, a duration of a class period, and no one speaks. I was someone who would never be moved to speak because what's so important for me to get up in front of four hundred people. That's never going to happen. But that meeting for worship after Rodney King was beaten by the cops and after that video came out was by far the most memorable event that I remember in that room. All of the sudden there were kids who were engaging with the truth and this reality of what's happening in our world and expressing themselves in a way that you just didn't hear teenagers talking about. That was a little bit of an awakening because I grew up in a sheltered sort of environment. So despite of whatever would happen at home there are plenty of things that I had heard and talked about with my parents about the world, but that was a different thing because it was actually happening as a discussion amongst peers and not with parents who can say, this is what I once did. So that had a different affect on me than something honestly that if I were sitting at a dinner table and my parents were droning on about, I would just go, yeah, la la la la.
How police treatment of black citizens is being discussed in the Presidential campaign:
It's just interesting when you have a question that is posed to both candidates and to Hillary about race in America and what she would say. And honestly, did I love her answer? No. But when you flip to Trump and again, his response is well, there are two words: law and order. And you just sort of go to this place of, oh right, he's speaking to his base. That's fine. But just these words and the idea of how police officers over the course of decades have been trained, especially in Los Angeles. It just immediately goes to a place if you are a person of color of listening to how these incidents come to be. And you're like, how could this actually come out of your mouth? This is exactly the problem. It's exactly the sort of lack of empathy when it comes to, don't you understand how millions of people are absorbing police forces across America and you're saying the exact wrong three words?
How audiences of different ages and races respond to "O.J.: Made in America":
There's a sense from older viewers of an appreciation for weaving together these events in a way that makes the specific events of '94 and '95 more understood and clarified. There is a sense from the younger viewers of, I didn't know any of this. I didn't know anything about who O.J. was. I was sort of ignorant of this entire history. And there is, in that way, a sort of gratitude that I feel. Frankly, there's been a lot of — and I can't really speak to who in a theater versus people talking to me who have seen it on television — white people who go, I never understood this.
“O.J.: Made in America” will screen at Cinefamily in Los Angeles on October 9th and other limited theaters. It’s also available now on iTunes, HULU, ESPN video-on-demand. To get more content like this, listen to "The Frame" podcast on iTunes.
Inside the wide, wild world of Fred Armisen
Fred Armisen may very well be the hardest working man in show business.
He co-created and co-stars in “Portlandia” — currently shooting its seventh season — and “Documentary Now!,” the parody series currently in its second season on the IFC cable channel; he’s involved with "Más Mejor" — a web channel that’s an incubator for Latino talent; and with all of his free time, he’s the bandleader for “Late Night with Seth Meyers.”
One thing Armisen says he's learned is that the best comedy almost always comes from taking a leap and being willing to fail:
It's kind of fun to see things fall apart and not work. You bond with the person you're with, and also — as corny as it sounds — you learn from it.
The Frame's John Horn recently spoke with Armisen, and the conversation started with the comic actor saying the seventh season of “Portlandia” would likely not be its last. He also tells us why he'd like to be called "Little Freddy Armisen."
To hear the full conversation, click the play button at the top of the page.
Interview Highlights:
On the similarities between how "Portlandia" and "Documentary Now!" got started:
They're a little different in that "Portlandia" — the references are to real-life relationships, pop culture, food and art. And then "Documentary Now!" — the genesis or the catalyst for those episodes is style. We purposefully say, Okay, we need a black-and-white documentary from the '50s. We need one from the '20s. We need a music one. So it's a slight difference, but one is more based on the methods of doing things and "Portlandia" is more about interpersonal relationships.
On the influence of his Venezuelan mother and seeking Latino talent through "Más Mejor":
It had a huge impact on my life. She's an immigrant. I learned to speak Spanish because of her and her family. I got to go to Venezuela numerous times. We lived in Brazil for a little while, so I got to have a South American experience growing up, which ... did help me learn about accents and different cultures — just to have in my arsenal of things to do.
I try to find new talent. And to go and see another comedian — that is just the best. I want to feel like there's a future. I want to feel like there are people I can work with who I've never met. I still want to be ... I hate the word inspired. I wish there was another word we can invent ... Change-spired!
On spoofing the Talking Heads' "Stop Making Sense" in the current season of "Documentary Now!":
Our training at [Saturday Night Live] is one where we trust ourselves that we never really make fun of anybody. It's so clear that it's done out of love. And it was so easy to do this one because, if there's anyone that I ever emulated in my life — you know, I've always wanted to be David Byrne. I really did used to live for Talking Heads.
So, every season with "Documentary Now!," we try to do a music episode. Bill Hader [said], Why don't we do "Stop Making Sense," but where the band grows so much that you can't even keep track of who's in the band anymore? Instant pitch. It was like, Oh, that's exactly what we're going to do. We bring Indonesian musicians out and they're out there playing bells and there's a million of them. We wanted it to look really crowded. And we did it. We did it as a real concert.
"Documentary Now!" airs Wednesday nights on IFC; "Portlandia" returns in January. To get more content like this, get The Frame's podcast on iTunes.