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Marlon Brando's audio trove; a landmark gospel concert; NBC seeking BuzzFeed buzz?

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When Marlon Brando died, he left hundreds of hours of himself on tape, which were culled for the documentary, "Listen to Me Marlon"; a 1965 gospel concert at L.A.'s Shrine Auditorium was special not only for its stars, but also because it was recorded — a rarity for its day; NBC Universal will reportedly invest $250 million in BuzzFeed's growing digital empire.
When Marlon Brando died, he left hundreds of hours of himself on tape, which were culled for the documentary, "Listen to Me Marlon"; a 1965 gospel concert at L.A.'s Shrine Auditorium was special not only for its stars, but also because it was recorded — a rarity for its day; NBC Universal will reportedly invest $250 million in BuzzFeed's growing digital empire.

When Marlon Brando died, he left hundreds of hours of himself on tape, which were culled for the documentary, "Listen to Me Marlon"; a 1965 gospel concert at L.A.'s Shrine Auditorium was special not only for its stars, but also because it was recorded — a rarity for its day; NBC Universal will reportedly invest $250 million in BuzzFeed's growing digital empire.

'Listen to Me Marlon' reveals the real Brando through the actor's voice

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'Listen to Me Marlon' reveals the real Brando through the actor's voice

“Acting is surviving,” Marlon Brando once said. And now, 10 years after the master actor died, his legacy continues to survive in a new documentary called “Listen to Me Marlon.”

The lauded actor was known for legendary roles in "The Godfather," "On the Waterfront" and "Apocalypse Now," as well as derided in films he made later in his career. But his personal life was marked by deep tragedy — in 1990, Brando’s son, Christian, killed his half-sister’s boyfriend in Brando’s own home. The actor's daughter, Cheyenne, subsequently committed suicide.

Even while Brando tried to keep his life private, he was recording himself, leaving behind hundreds of hours of audio recordings. Those tapes, along with film clips, home movies, TV appearances and a bizarre hologram of his head, make up the architecture of "Listen to Me Marlon."

Stevan Riley, the filmmaker behind "Listen to Me Marlon," was not an aficionado when he was asked by the Brando Estate to helm the project. When Riley joined us on The Frame, he talked about Brando's extreme self-criticism, the variety of tapes that the actor made, and piecing together a trove of audio to find "the real Marlon Brando."

Interview Highlights:

As you started doing research to better understand Marlon Brando, what did you begin to find?



There were different versions of him — versions from his friends, his ex-lovers, or his wife — so it was difficult to really pin him down and to find out who the real person was. So when the tapes were first made available to me, there were a couple that I picked up that were incredibly revealing where Marlon was speaking about himself and some of his early experiences.



There was a self-hypnosis tape that I got early access to, which was incredibly intimate. It felt almost intrusive listening to it. It was self-meditation and self-medication as well, because I think he was suffering a lot of trauma in the aftermath of his daughter's suicide in Tahiti, which was on the back of a killing that had taken place in Brando's own house.



That was deeply, deeply traumatic, and Brando was in the house for that, he was doing resuscitation on the man who was shot, and in the aftermath of all that and his daughter's suicide he was pretty much in bits. And he wanted to do as much as he could to repair himself from that pain, and part of that were these self-hypnosis tapes.

When you're listening to these tapes and comparing them to what's been written, what are the fundamental differences between how he had been perceived and who he really was as represented in these recordings?



The myth of Brando was one that had never been properly solved, and Brando was party to that — he was very good at putting up smokescreens and doing everything he could to remain private and not let people intrude on his personal life. But he felt severely misrepresented in all sorts of spheres.



If you think about how people remember Marlon now — if people had a passing thought as to who he was — they might remember he was overweight, he was reclusive, or how he was portrayed as a bit of a nut by the press. But one thing that actually became very clear while I was making the film was how lucid and philosophical a man he was.

He was obviously a private person and yet he makes these tapes. Without trying to psychoanalyze him, what was your theory about why he left these behind? Did he want somebody to listen to them? Did he want them to be shared, or were they just for himself?



It's worth bearing in mind that these were collected for many different reasons, and they weren't always to narrate his life or diarize his experiences. He'd take recorders into business meetings. He had bad experiences with some films like "Mutiny on the Bounty," where he felt like he was wrongfully accused of threatening the production, and there was a bit of a stigma that developed around him. He wanted to avoid being poorly treated by Hollywood, so he kept the recorders out to cover him legally.



At home he'd put his kids up to the recorders and record things for posterity. There's one several-hour tape where he's talking with his great aunt and getting her to recount her whole life story, because he wanted to record that before she came to the end of her life.



He would record his own musings and thoughts, and if he read something interesting he'd do entire tapes of nice phrases and vocabulary. And then there were the self-hypnosis tapes, and it goes on and on and on. So there's a lot of different stuff, like the creative preparation for roles. There was an assortment of tapes for very different reasons, and it was the compilation of them that made the film.

I think that people who loved his movies would be surprised to hear him disparage "On the Waterfront," "Last Tango in Paris" and "Apocalypse Now." He didn't hold those films or experiences in very high regard.



It's interesting for several reasons, but I think it shows his perfectionism that he felt that way about the famous scene with Rod Steiger, the "I coulda been a contender" scene. One thing he's not really given credit for is his ability as an improviser and a writer, and his whole approach to "I coulda been a contender," the show of disappointment rather than anger to his brother pulling a gun, that was all Brando.



But even with that innovation he felt that he let himself down and it wasn't a very good performance, which shows he cares and he wanted it to be better than it was. Of course, everyone reveres it as one of the best scenes in movie history, so it goes to show what his own standards could be like.

The Great Shrine Concert: A landmark gospel show, 60 years later

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The Great Shrine Concert: A landmark gospel show, 60 years later

Sixty years ago this month, some of the biggest names in gospel music gathered at the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles for a concert. The list of acts included groups like the Caravans, the Pilgrim Travelers and the Soul Stirrers, led by a young Sam Cooke.

There was something else notable about the concert on the evening of July 22, 1955 — it was recorded, allowing gospel fans and scholars decades later to get a glimpse into the event that has become known as “The Great Shrine Concert.”

The concert took place in the middle of an era that scholars have called the golden age of gospel.

“We have up until that point very few live recordings of any kind, much less an all-star congregation like that,” said Robert Darden, the director of Baylor University’s Black Gospel Music Restoration Project.

Even though the Shrine concert was recorded, it took decades for the music to reach fans. Some of the performances were released in the 1970s, but with additional instrumentation added to the recordings. It wasn’t until the early 1990s that the unaltered performances were finally released on CD.

Darden said the recording allows fans to hear some of the biggest names in gospel history at their peak. Sam Cooke was in his final days with the Soul Stirrers before making the switch to pop music. Fans also get a rare chance to hear Dorothy Love Coates and the Gospel Harmonettes do an 18-minute-long medley that Darden would rank among the 20 best live gospel performances of all time.

“They were organic, they were frenzied, they were passionate,” said Darden about Coates’ performances. “They were a church service on steroids.”

The lineup at the Shrine also included a high school student named Annette May, the daughter of the famous gospel singer Brother Joe May.

Annette May Thomas (who now goes by her married name) lives in Baldwin Hills, not far from where she took the stage at the Shrine, and is one of the last surviving performers. Her father died years ago, but she commemorates him with a license plate that bears his name. On that July evening, she performed after her father and sang the Mahalia Jackson song “Consider Me.”

“It was kind of an awesome thing to stand on stage and look out at all those people,” said Thomas. “It took your breath away when you looked at them.”

She recalls that the audience was filled to capacity that night, with an estimated 6,000 fans in the seats. Although she became accustomed to it, performing in front of large audiences wasn’t something that came easy for her — as a younger teenager, she used to get weekly shots because of the skin problems she suffered from stage fright.

She particularly remembers fans “falling over” the performance by the Soul Stirrers. Cooke sang with a raw intensity that was very different from the voice that many people would become accustomed to on polished pop songs like “Cupid” and “You Send Me.”

“Falling out” is a term that is used in gospel music for the excitement that can overtake fans at gospel concerts, and it’s something that Thomas says she's seen a lot of over the years.

“Most of the times, people would be saying, ‘Oh were they falling out, what they were doing?’" said Thomas. “And I’d say, no more than what you do when you when you go to your baseball games and your football games. If you haven’t seen how stupidly you look when you’re jumping up and down and screaming and kicking… you go crazy. Well, that’s what they do when they’re overcome by the spirit.”

Thomas would later move to L.A. and work closely with another one of the performers that night: James Cleveland, who was accompanying the Caravans. Cleveland would go on to become founder of the Southern California Community Choir, a group that also included Thomas. The group would become an integral part of the evolution of gospel music with the introduction of large choirs. They would also be featured on another famous live recording: Aretha Franklin’s 1972 album “Amazing Grace.”

The recording of the Shrine Concert was so rare that another performer didn’t know it existed until last year: Herbert Pickard, another one of the last surviving performers, who was the pianist in the long medley by Coates and the Original Gospel Harmonettes. Pickard and the group almost didn’t make it to the concert — they got into a serious car accident just days before the event while heading to California, but luckily, no one was seriously injured.

Pickard recently listened to the group’s performance for the first time on a 21st century invention. “Somebody told me look up the Harmonettes on YouTube, and there it was,” said Pickard. “I listened more than once because I thoroughly, thoroughly enjoyed it."