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The Frame

Edie Falco in 'Landline'; Ai Weiwei's 'Hansel & Gretel' installation

Abbi Quinn (L), Edie Falco and Jenny Slate star in "Landline," directed by Gillian Robespierre.
Abbi Quinn (L), Edie Falco and Jenny Slate star in "Landline," directed by Gillian Robespierre.
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Edie Falco has gone from “The Sopranos” to “Nurse Jackie,” and now her latest is the indie film, “Landline”; “Hansel & Gretel” at New York's Park Avenue Armory is an installation by the Chinese artist Ai Weiwei and architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron that explores the meaning of public space in our surveillance-laden world.
Edie Falco has gone from “The Sopranos” to “Nurse Jackie,” and now her latest is the indie film, “Landline”; “Hansel & Gretel” at New York's Park Avenue Armory is an installation by the Chinese artist Ai Weiwei and architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron that explores the meaning of public space in our surveillance-laden world.

Edie Falco has gone from “The Sopranos” to “Nurse Jackie,” and now her latest is the indie film, “Landline.” Falco talks about the many things she’s learned during her career, including the value of a well-written script; At the Park Avenue Armory in NYC is an installation called “Hansel & Gretel,” by the Chinese dissident artist Ai Weiwei and the architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron. The show explores the meaning of public space in our surveillance-laden world.

Ai Weiwei makes 'Hansel & Gretel' unsettling in a new way

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Ai Weiwei makes 'Hansel & Gretel' unsettling in a new way

Surveillance, drones and facial recognition technology are the kinds of things you’d expect to be in a spy movie or a Senate intelligence briefing, but you can also encounter them in an art installation called "Hansel & Gretel" in New York City.

It’s in a cavernous exhibition hall at the Park Avenue Armory, not far from Central Park. The nearly pitch-black space is at first disorienting. Soon it becomes clear that you're being followed as drones and infrared cameras pick up your movements from above.

With all the focus on various modes of surveillance, it’s perhaps not surprising that one of the artists behind this exhibition is the Chinese activist Ai Weiwei, who himself has been under house arrest, imprisoned and surveilled 24/7.

Architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron worked together with the Chinese artist on "Hansel & Gretel." Their previous collaborations include the Beijing National Stadium (also known as the "Bird's Nest"), built for the 2008 Summer Olympics.

Rebecca Robertson, president and executive producer of the Park Avenue Armory, spoke with The Frame's John Horn about the artists' vision for the exhibition:



The idea that the artists had for this particular space was that it be treated like a public park, like a public place, where you generally feel some level of comfort and freedom. And that as you come into the space, it's very dark. The architects Jacques Herzog and Pierre de Meuron had this notion of creating kind of a rolling hill that is in a dark space, so it's both pastoral and there's something comforting about it, but it's also a little disorienting as you walk into it. And then as you walk, there are these infrared pictures, photos of yourself, that are created on the floor, and there are lines that follow you. So you're kind of creating your own breadcrumb trail, hence the title "Hansel and Gretel." And while it's fun, the darkness makes you feel a little unsure of yourself, a little disoriented, and then the drones come in ... and people become more aware of the fact that perhaps something else is going on.

"Hansel & Gretel" is open at the Park Avenue Armory through Aug. 6.