The Frame host John Horn reports from Sundance where he interviews Jessica Williams (“The Incredible Jessica James”), and documentary director Peter Bratt ("Dolores") and the subject of his film, activist Dolores Huerta.
Jessica Williams: 'This is my ancestors' dream'
UPDATE: Jessica Williams' film debut, "The Incredible Jessica James," drops on Netflix on July 28.
Jessica Williams is only 26 and she's living the dream. Hers and her ancestors.
She first came on the scene as a correspondent on “The Daily Show with Jon Stewart.” Now she's co-host of “2 Dope Queens,” a hugely popular podcast and live show with
. This summer, she makes her debut as the lead of a feature film in the Netflix movie, “The Incredible Jessica James." She is also an executive producer on that movie, which also features Lakeith Stanfield and Chris O'Dowd.
Williams met with The Frame's John Horn at the Sundance Film Festival earlier this year when "The Incredible Jessica James" had its premiere. They discussed her career, identity, and what she wants to do with the creative power and platform that she has.
You can hear their conversation by clicking the play button on this page.
Interview Highlights:
On her success as a black actress:
This is my ancestors' dream, is me — and the people that come after me, [Because of] the black women and the black people that died before me, I get to choose what I want to do and I think that really does speak to how far we've come and what everybody's done to fight for our freedoms. I know that makes it seem a lot grander, but there was a time where people that looked like me weren't able to choose what they wanted to do. I do feel really blessed and honored to be able to choose and to be able to say no.
On how she wanted her "Jessica James" character portrayed:
I wanted to make sure that Jessica came across as confident, but with insecurity. I think people have a lot of layers. I know I do in particular. I just wanted to make sure that there was a female-driven movie where she wasn't a slave to romance and she wasn't a slave to one thing. I wanted to make sure that she was complicated and dynamic and just a force to be reckoned with, because those are my friends and those are the women that I know and those are the women that raised me. So just wanted to show that in a young, millennial way in Jessica James.
On co-creating the podcast, "2 Dope Queens":
"2 Dope Queens" is very interesting because Phoebe [Robinson] is a really amazing standup [comedian]. She's also a woman of color. So we are two women of color that host this live standup show in Brooklyn. We do it two times a month. We wanted to make sure that with our show, we gave people of color, we gave women and we gave members of the LGBT community opportunities to do storytelling, standup or music, because often times in comedy and in the industry in general, a lot of white voices are brought to the forefront and showcased because that's the trend. That's just us recycling what the trend is. With "2 Dope Queens" we get the opportunity to love and enjoy each other and have fun being best friends and being women of color and talking about our personal experience. Also, we give an opportunity to elevate voices for many different people that otherwise would not get such a large platform.
On why "Jessica James" isn't defined by her race:
The black experience for me has been very interesting. Some days I wake up and I feel really black. Some days I'm like, This is me. I'm black. Black Lives Matter. Black pride. Look at my cocoa skin. I just feel it's my being. Then some days I wake up, I turn on the "Real Housewives of Beverly Hills," have a glass of rosé and I'm like, I'm just me. I'm just me right now. I just sort of forget. Then you see somebody get shot on the news, a person of color and you're like, Oh, I feel black again. It sort of ebbs and flows. I think that's what's so great about Jessica James is you get to sit back and take a moment and realize that this person is black. And some days this character wakes up and feels black and some days she doesn't. That is, for me, a fully black experience.
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Activist Dolores Huerta is the subject of a new documentary, but her fight isn't over yet
The new documentary, "Dolores," chronicles the life and work of activist and union organizer Dolores Huerta. Along with Cesar Chavez, Huerta co-founded the United Farm Workers union in the 1960s.
But for years, Huerta didn't get nearly the same recognition that Chavez did for her contributions to the UFW and farmworker rights.
Just one example: the iconic slogan, "Sí se puede" (or "Yes we can"), is often attributed to Chavez, but it was actually coined by Huerta.
Now, at 87-years-old, Huerta is finally getting the credit she's due, thanks to a new documentary titled "Dolores." The film, which premiered at the 2017 Sundance Film Festival, is executive produced by the musician Carlos Santana and written and directed by Peter Bratt. It airs on PBS on March 26.
And as evidence that Huerta isn't slowing down yet, she spoke at the at the women’s march that was held at Sundance, preaching a message of solidarity with marches in Washington and across the country:
The Frame's John Horn spoke with Huerta and Bratt in Park City, Utah.
Interview Highlights
Decades ago, you were organizing farmworkers over a variety of issues. How is that work different today?
Huerta: At that time, in the late '60s, early '70s a lot of organizations were just in formation. The Greens were just starting to organize, the LGBT movement was starting to organize, we had the third wave of the women's movement that was coming forward...
So, we have a lot of these organizations that were just being born out of the chaos of the '60s and '70s that are now very strong and they have strong foundations. So, in some respects, we're better equipped right now to be able to withstand whatever comes down in the next four years and to continue organizing to overcome and keep the progressive movement going forward.
You're here as the star of your documentary, but you've always been more interested in the workers, not the people leading the workers. Was it uncomfortable for you to be the subject of this film?
Huerta: If you can take the poorest the most discriminated group of workers in our country that have been maligned for so many decades and yet show how they came together, how they were able to overcome the president of the United States — Richard Nixon, governor of California Ronald Reagan, the most powerful agricultural interest in the state of California — and be able to win their victories of getting the right to organize...
...so this is a message I believe, that I hope people get from this film. If those farmer workers, most of them immigrants, if they can do this without having a formal education, how much more can we do? We who speak the English language, who are citizens, who have formal educations, who have resources — how much more can we do?
There's a lot of amazing archival footage, along with some contemporary interviews. What are the images, documents or interviews that stood out from the past that really illustrated Dolores' story?
Bratt: Dolores and I, we locked horns a little bit because I told her, 'It has to be about you.' And I think Dolores by her nature, she's always focused on others and empowering others, and I think that was difficult for her. But I think you create empathy in people and understand when you focus on the person.
We knew wanted to tell a compelling, moving story that would inspire people, but at the same time we wanted to create a historical record, because she had been left out... you can actually see her through the decades, and we thought that would be very powerful and very compelling.
How does the current political climate shape the way in which this film will be received and the world into which, it will be released?
Bratt: It was tempting to throw the camera on and say, 'Hey Dolores, let's go back out and get some more footage.' But I think it's really important to emphasize and point out that the struggle in our community for racial justice... it's been going on for 500 years, man...
Huerta: And I just want to say one thing to that. People in our country do not understand how our country was built, and even now with immigrants that are doing all of the heavy work — which is one thing that the movie does show, feeding the nation. So, there's no appreciation, there's no gratitude there, there's no recognition.
So, I think the one thing that may come out of all this is that when we see the ugly face of racism and what it has brought us to in our society, that then, everybody has to say, 'OK, it's time that we end this cancer.'
“Dolores” airs March 27 at 9 p.m. on PBS SoCal. Check local listings in other markets.