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Jordan Peele's horror film; are The Oscars must-see TV?

Jordan Peele on the set of "Get Out."
Jordan Peele on the set of "Get Out."
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Jordan Peele (of "Key & Peele" fame) makes his film directing debut with the horror movie, “Get Out," which takes on racism in the creepiest fashion; John Horn debates how to improve the Academy Awards broadcast with his "Awards Show Show" podcast co-host, Kyle Buchanan, and TV mavens Alex Jung and Jen Chaney.
Jordan Peele (of "Key & Peele" fame) makes his film directing debut with the horror movie, “Get Out," which takes on racism in the creepiest fashion; John Horn debates how to improve the Academy Awards broadcast with his "Awards Show Show" podcast co-host, Kyle Buchanan, and TV mavens Alex Jung and Jen Chaney.

Jordan Peele (of "Key & Peele" fame) makes his film directing debut with the horror movie, “Get Out," which takes on racism in the creepiest fashion; John Horn debates how to improve the Academy Awards broadcast with his "Awards Show Show" podcast co-host, Kyle Buchanan, and TV mavens Alex Jung and Jen Chaney.

Jordan Peele explores the horrors of racism with 'Get Out'

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Jordan Peele explores the horrors of racism with 'Get Out'

Jordan Peele, an actor probably best known for his sketch comedy, is making his debut as a film director with the new horror movie, "Get Out."

For five seasons, with Keegan-Michael Key, Peele was part of the comedy duo "Key & Peele" on Comedy Central. It's a show that was described as "taking on everything from 'Gremlins 2' to systemic racism."

"Get Out," which Peele wrote and directed, follows a young black man named Chris (Daniel Kaluuya) as he and his white girlfriend, Rose (Allison Williams), meet her family for the first time. 

After the two head out of town for a weekend visit, things soon take a turn for the creepy:

Jordan Peele spoke with The Frame's John Horn about "Get Out," the racial issues the film touches on, and his love for the horror genre.

Interview highlights:

On what inspired him to write "Get Out":



It did start with an idea of addressing race with a horror film and feeling like that was a missing piece of the conversation. And then also I feel like there's an element to this movie that fulfills the representation that the stereotypically black horror movie audience needs out of their horror movie, which is B---h, get out the house! Why are you still there? Call the cops! You know, I wanted to make a movie where that audience is satisfied.

On his love for the horror genre: 



It's one of those things that is in my marrow. I was very afraid of horror movies as a kid. I had a wild imagination, and it was kind of uncontrollable. And at some point I grew up and I began to respect these films that could affect me so powerfully. So that was a little bit of a turning point ... I think there's a life-long journey to conquer your own fear. The first step for me was respecting these people who had mastered it.

On how the film addresses racism among liberal elites:



I didn't want to make stereotypically racist white people [as] racists in this movie. I wanted to sort of pull back the layers of how really race is in all of us. And if you don't think you're facing it personally you're kind of part of the problem here. This movie's also about the neglect of very serious issues — about the fact that we have a disproportionate amount of African American men in prison. In a lot of ways, this movie is an allegory for us not acknowledging that as a serious problem.

On whether the current political climate following Donald Trump's election changes about how the film will be received:



When I first made it, I feel like it was a conversation people were not necessarily open to having, which is kind of the point. Now I think it serves as a release from all the sort of daily bulls--t that is, for many of us, the racial conversation and how it's handled. So I think it will be something that people are more ready to talk about and a movie people are ready to see.

"Get Out" opens in theaters on February 24th.

BONUS AUDIO: Jordan Peele aces The Frame's horror film score quiz. Listen and see how you match up!00000181-b666-d102-ad89-f6ffba450003

How to make the Oscars must-see TV again

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How to make the Oscars must-see TV again

The Oscars might be Hollywood's biggest night, but fewer people are tuning in each year.

Last year, 34.3 million people watched the Academy Awards. That was the lowest viewership for the awards show since 2008's record-setting low of 32 million — and it's a far cry from 2014's count of 43.74 million viewers.

So what can the Academy do to turn the Oscars into must-watch television? Well, our first idea is not to bring back James Franco and Anne Hathaway as hosts.

James Franco and Anne Hathaway as hosts

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of Vulture.com's TV Podcast joined The Awards Show Show co-hosts

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 to talk about the Academy's viewership troubles, how the Oscars could learn from other awards shows and how the show could benefit from some spontaneity.

Interview Highlights

On the Oscars and spontaneity



Chaney: I think the most important thing they could do is take a minimalist approach, and just do what they're supposed to do — present the awards, not spend too much time on silly bits and musical numbers. The truth is that what makes any live event really great are surprise, spontaneous moments, and by the nature of spontaneity, you cannot plan for that.

Mahershala Ali



Jung: I think Jen's right in terms of allowing room for spontaneity to happen, and a lot of that spontaneity is going to come from actors giving speeches. You saw people like Mahershala Ali give really beautiful, subtle speeches, and then you had Meryl Streep at the Golden Globes give a firebrand, drop-the-mic kind of moment. I think the Oscars could learn from letting people have space to do that, because you're not going to have Nicki Minaj asking Miley Cyrus, "What's good?" Which is unfortunate.

Meryl Streep at Golden Globes



Horn: I have to agree, the ceremony lives and dies by the acceptance speeches, and there's so many bad speeches every year. They should build a trapdoor right underneath the podium, and if you say the words, "my team at CAA," or "my group at WME," it opens and you fall through the stage. If you're a documentary short filmmaker, no one is going to listen to you more than they're going to on Oscar night. Then you get up there and you start thanking your publicist? Use that opportunity to say something meaningful.

On Jimmy Kimmel hosting



Jung: I like him at the ABC Upfronts. I feel like that's a good venue for him, where he gets to make fun of networks, but I do sort of feel like... like, when you go into a Thai restaurant, and they ask you what spice level you want, and they give the option of "foreigner spicy"? That's what Jimmy Kimmel feels like to me. He'll definitely do a couple obligatory jokes about Donald Trump or the current political climate, but I don't think he's the kind of person who will hit or meet the current moment the way that I suspect a lot of people will be itching for.

Jimmy Kimmel Emmys monologue



Chaney: I agree with that, and one of my frustrations from the past year of watching award shows is that literally every award show has been hosted by whoever hosts the late-night talk show on the network that was broadcasting the award show. It just gets very boring.



The least exciting thing the Academy Awards could have done was choose Jimmy Kimmel — not because of Jimmy Kimmel, but because that's what every other awards show is doing at this point. That part of it is just not exciting.



Obviously, they've tried to mix things up in the past and it hasn't always worked out for them in terms of the rating, but I still like it when they try to choose different people, especially because all the late-night hosts are still white dudes. So this is another way in which we're not getting an opportunity to hear from women, people of color, or other voices.

On the larger number of Best Picture nominees



Horn: One of the things the academy tried was expanding the Best Picture race to as many as 10 nominees, and yet the ratings have precipitously declined since 2014 — they've lost 10 million viewers over the last two years. So if you're ABC or if you're producing this show, what can you do to make people tune in?



Chaney: I mean, that's the thing, it really does hinge on the movies. If you look back at the past 20 years, the telecasts that were the most highly-rated were "Titanic" and "Lord of the Rings: Return of the King." Those were huge, widely-loved movies that were nominated for tons of awards.

James Cameron wins Best Director



"La La Land" was also nominated for tons of awards, but I don't think it's a mainstream, beloved movie in the same way that those two were. And when you have that situation, I think they'd be wise to play up the spontaneity, like, "What's somebody going to say politically? Who knows, tune in and find out!" That's what I'd be watching for.



Horn: Is it time to bring back Debbie Allen and the "Solid Gold" dance team? Or was it interpretive dancing?



Chaney: I am in favor of anything that brings back solid gold. Or Rob Lowe dancing with Snow White again, I'd be up for that.