Chiwetel Ejiofor plays a scientist in “Z for Zachariah,” an apocalypse movie unlike any you’ve seen; Jenny Yang and Keiko Agena created a comedy festival as a showcase for Asian-American performers; actors reall get tipsy on "Drunk History," which is exactly what creator Derek Waters wants.
Chiwetel Ejiofor just wants to tell stories — anytime, any place
“Z for Zachariah” is an apocalypse movie unlike any you’ve seen. There are no zombies or big special effects, and there are just three characters: a scientist, played by Chiwetel Ejiofor, who believes they can restore civilization by being innovative; a handsome drifter played by Chris Pine; and a resilient young woman played by Margot Robbie.
Two men, one woman, and the apocalypse. Yes, there is some sexual tension.
When Ejiofor joined us on The Frame, he talked about his immediate interest in the interpersonal relationships of "Z for Zachariah," how he doesn't care about playing parts that aren't race-specific, and why he'll perform in a hotel room if he loves a story enough.
Interview Highlights:
"Z for Zachariah" is a post-apocalyptic film that has little interest in what actually brought about the apocalypse. Rather, it's about the resilience of a couple of people. When you look at a movie like that, what do you latch on to in terms of what you want to do and why you wanted to do it?
I loved the idea of doing a three-hander. That was immediately a hook for me, just the idea that the story is only about the relationships between three people and how that can be dramatically as exciting as anything else, numerous car chases or whatever. [laughs] It's just about these interpersonal relationships and how the dramatic tension ratchets up to this impossible point.
Half of the movie is actually a two-hander with myself and Margot Robbie, and I always thought that was going to be really intriguing — how do you figure out a relationship with somebody if you feel that you are the last two people on the planet? The last thing anybody wants to do is be in a bad relationship with the last girl on the planet. [laughs]
It's bad enough to be in one when there's millions of people around. [laughs]
Exactly. [laughs] How do you negotiate those things? How do you seriously try to investigate a relationship dynamic that has that much pressure? How do you seriously try to investigate the Adam and Eve quality of that?
Of course, all of that gets thrown out the window once another guy arrives, especially in the form of Chris Pine. Now a completely different instinct kicks in, and that's what the film explores and I just thought it was a fascinating idea.
Is it equally attractive to you that the movie is not interested in race or class, but about personality, such that any actor of any race could have played these parts?
I think that's an interesting part of the movie as well — at what point or to what degree do we forget any of those things, or do we? They certainly investigate not worrying about that, but when Chris arrives, there's clearly an insecurity for my character, Loomis, about the dynamic between Margot and Chris, as they're both white people.
So, from a circumstance where race doesn't involve itself at all, it's Loomis in a way who creates the paranoia of those things. Whoever's the minority feels the pressure of being the minority, regardless of their race.
In terms of your acting and specifically with jobs in Hollywood, has that evolved at all over the last couple years. Are you now offered parts that could be played by somebody of any race? Or do you still feel as if people only see certain actors in certain ways?
Ultimately, I've never been that worried about that. I don't have that much aspiration, in a sense, to not play black people. [laughs] I engage with all aspects of myself, so if you look at "12 Years a Slave" or "Endgame," where I played Thabo Mbeki — it's a long list of people that could only be played by a black person.
I've been equally engaged with those parts and I've loved them just as much, so it's not like it's been more exciting for me somehow to play parts that don't have a racial specificity. It's equal, it's about character and what you bring to character, and ultimately I'm not that interested in the cross-racial paradigm.
You've done TV, you've done film, you're doing a play now called "Everyman" in London — are you platform-neutral in that way, as long as the part or the project or the person behind it is interesting?
One hundred percent. It's one of the things I've never understood, ultimately, is how someone can be like, I don't do TV or I don't do this. If I loved the show, I'd do it in this hotel room. [laughs] I'd do it anywhere, for anyone that wants to see it. I believe in telling stories, I believe in characters and what they mean and what they can mean to other people, and I believe in narratives. The platform or the medium in which you do that is completely irrelevant. All of it's an opportunity to tell a tale.
The Comedy Comedy Festival puts a spotlight on Asian American comics
Comedian Jenny Yang has been performing comedy for years, but she noticed there wasn't a proper outlet to support Asian-American comedians, specifically women.
Yang created a touring standup show in 2012 with fellow comedian Atsuko Okatsuka that featured mostly Asian-American women called "Disoriented Comedy." After a string of sold-out shows, Yang aimed to go bigger with "The Comedy Comedy Festival: A Comedy Festival."
Yang brought together some friends, including actress Keiko Agena, to feature primarily Asian-American comics over the course of a few days in Little Tokyo.
When Yang and Agena joined us on The Frame, we asked them about the inspirations behind the festival, creating spaces for a wide variety of perspectives, and why Hollywood is still casting white actors to portray characters of color.
Interview Highlights:
What inspired you to create this showcase of Asian comics?
Yang: It's really an outgrowth of the Disoriented Comedy Tour, which I started with a few of my friends three years ago. Forty shows later, touring across the country, colleges and universities, we featured mostly female Asian-American standup comics, but then there are only so many of us.
There are actually more of us who are doing improv comedy, scripted comedy, sketch comedy, or who are comedy writers who are Asian-American, so we just thought, we've had tremendous success with Disoriented Comedy, why not expand that platform to also showcase these other genres and crafts?
For people who haven't seen a group of Asian-American comedians perform together, how much of the humor is tied to ethnicity and how much of it is universal?
Yang: Speaking about standup specifically, what we really love to present are folks who can show you a diversity of perspectives. So, hopefully when you come to a Disoriented Comedy show or the Comedy Comedy Festival, you're not going to see the typical hack or well-trodden territory around race, ethnicity or Asian families.
Sometimes that happens. I talk about how I grew up a "good Asian girl" and to this day I still don't know the Mandarin Chinese word for sex. That's going to happen, we're going to talk about that, but also there are people who aren't going to talk at all about the fact that they might be Japanese-American or Filipino-American.
Agena: I actually like the question as far as improv is concerned, because I find that it doesn't come up very often in improv and I think that's actually part of the reason why people of different ethnic backgrounds might like improv. It's the one place where you can play any age, you can play any ethnicity, and you don't have to fulfill those stereotypes or casting choices that someone else is making. You're the writer, director and actor, every time you perform.
Yang: Yeah, in improv you don't have Cameron Crowe casting Emma Stone as a native Hawaiian Asian.
How much do things like that bother you? It seems more like the anomaly than the rule now. But is that still an issue in Hollywood, that people of color are cast only in ethnic roles, or Caucasians are cast in parts that are partially ethnic?
Yang: I wouldn't say it's a little thing. As someone who aspires to perform and write in entertainment, it matters, because ultimately, a role like Emma Stone's is the brass ring. She's a movie star for big vehicles, and I think a lot of times [producers] say, Oh, there's not enough bankable Asian stars.
We don't get there unless you develop us. So, going back to the comedy festival, this is a part of that. That's why we're not just booking all of these veteran comics. There are an incredible number of veteran standup comedians — Kevin Shea, Alec Mapa, Ken Jeong — but there are so many of us who are just growing and still talented, and we just need that kind of support and development.
What's the evolution been like in L.A. for Asian-American comics? Does it feel like you're now mainstream, or that you're still part of a comedic ghetto? How does the entertainment-comedy see Asian-American comics right now?
Yang: In the standup comedy world, there's not enough Asian-American audiences to make us only do shows for Asian-Americans. So, inevitably, if you're going to do standup comedy, you're going to have to play to a "general audience," and that's typically a white audience.
Sure, there are certain audiences that might be more people of color, like I've done Latino audiences or black rooms. But it's really tough to sustain a level of development and be self-employed like I am to be able to only do these non-white rooms. So yeah, we've got to be able to make everyone laugh.
The Comedy Comedy Festival: A Comedy Festival run through Aug. 30 in Little Tokyo.
'Drunk History' creator Derek Waters tries to tell the stories not told in textbooks
When Derek Waters first started his web series 'Drunk History,' he never imagined it would be picked up by Comedy Central and become an Emmy-nominated show a few years later.
You might say that show's concept is self explanatory. A comedian or actor gets drunk and gives a history lesson, but it's in the way the people tell the story — or at least try to — that made the show a hit.
Derek Waters got the idea for "Drunk History" when he and his friend, "New Girl" star Jake Johnson, got drunk and tried to piece together the story of the plane crash that killed musician Otis Redding.
"Everyone gets drunk and talks about music," said Waters on The Frame. "What's something that people don't get drunk and talk about, and that you can prove is right or wrong?"
Waters makes sure that even though the person giving the history lesson is drunk, the facts are right. He hired a team of UCLA researchers to fact check and pitch stories that were interesting and hardly told in textbooks.
The Frame's John Horn talks with Derek Waters about what's real and not on the show, how he decides who would be a good drunk storyteller and what he thinks about being Emmy nominated for the first time:
INTERVIEW HIGHLIGHTS:
How do you know who would be a good drunk narrator on your show?
I would say about 80 percent of the narrators are my friends so I know what they're gonna be like going into it. But for the new people I had meetings just to find out what type of story they like and hear them talk just as humans. You get a good grasp of what somebody is excited about. No matter what alcohol does to a certain person, as long as they're not an alcoholic, it enhances their love for the said subject that they're excited about.
Some of your storytellers get emotional, even cry at the end of their stories. Are those reactions common? Are they scripted?
I'm very enthusiastic about letting people know that nothing is scripted. The only thing that's scripted are dates and how to pronounce someone's name. That I make sure they say right but the rest is all real.
This feels kind of like the older/alcoholics version of 'School House Rock.'
Yeah, I think that show and also Shelley Duvall's 'Faerie Tale Theater' is my all time favorite. I wasn't the best learner in school and secretly this is a way that I'm learning history. I love history but whenever you tell a story, you humanize the people you're learning about. It's a lot easier to learn and that's still my goal to humanize everybody.
You also tend to get drunk with the person telling the story. Why is that?
[Laughs] My doctors asked the same thing. That's funny. No, most of the time I'll do it with someone who hasn't done this show before and reminding them that they're not being exploited and that it's a comradery. We're doing this together. It helps me know when I drink with them where they are. If I feel completely fine and they're [drunk rambling] I'm like, 'No, that's not real. You're not really talking like that.'
Do any of your narrators have any regrets about doing the show the next morning?
After this season airs there will be one hundred stories, but out of all of those narrators, everyone emails me the next day to apologize to say they didn't think they did a good job. And I say, 'Remember, this is what alcohol does because I promise you, you did a good job or we'd still be filming you.'
So this started off as a lark. You and Jake Johnson started talking about somebody in music and you were both intoxicated, but you go from this to getting an Emmy nomination for your series. A little bizarre isn't it?
Very, very bizarre. I'm not gonna ask too many questions. I'm just gonna go, 'Okay, all right.' It's nice that the most pretic... precede... What's that word?
Prestigious.
Thank you.
You are sober, right?
Yes. I just didn't go to college. Give me a break, man. That the Academy is saying, 'Yes this is a real show and people should watch it.' That's what I take from it. That it's getting recognized.
Comedy Central's 'Drunk History' is nominated for a 2015 Emmy Award in the "Outstanding Variety Sketch Series" category.