"Jackass" stunt master Johnny Knoxville made a documentary, "Being Evel," about his childhood hero; Mac Quayle went from producing dance music for the likes of Donna Summer to composing music for TV shows such as "American Horror Story"; a vote by SAG-AFTRA members could chart the future for Hollywood's biggest union.
Digital media payments for actors a key issue in SAG-AFTRA elections
On Aug. 20, the results will be known for an election that will set the next course for Hollywood’s largest union. Members of SAG-AFTRA are voting whether to retain the board led by incumbent Ken Howard, or to replace him with Patricia Richardson.
One of the big issues for actors is how they get paid for their work in digital media, which includes Netflix and Amazon TV shows. With more and more original scripted content being created for streaming services, it’s a part of the industry that’s growing amost faster than any union contract can keep up with.
Jonathan Handel is a contributing editor at The Hollywood Reporter where he follows SAG-AFTRA news. He spoke with The Frame’s Oscar Garza.
Interview Highlights
The SAG-AFTRA ballots are out. What are the union members voting on?
They’re voting on national officers, the president and secretary-treasurer, and also board members from L.A., New York ... The issue for the challengers, in a sense, is a rerun of the merger ballot, which passed by a ratio of about four-to-one back in 2012. But the challengers feel that the promises of the merger [between SAG and AFTRA] have not been delivered. They’re not really saying what they’d do differently, but they’re saying, We don’t like the way things are.
What is the main issue here in this election? Aside from the leadership itself, what is at issue?
At one level the main issue is compensation from new media, which has been the issue that’s been roiling the unions since the writer’s strike in 2007/2008. But at another level it’s that this business, both on the television and the motion picture side, is undergoing enormous changes ... SAG-AFTRA encompasses not just famous names who are at the top of the pinnacle, who live lives of enormous privilege and enormous wealth, but many middle-class and even working-class actors who struggle to put food on the table and feed their families in an expensive city like L.A. or New York. The issue really is, as the industry changes, where is the work going to be and what is compensation going to look like?
How might these elections change the way we watch and consume media?
If the challengers do prevail here, then that may give them an opening to then, two years from now, take control of the boardroom itself. So you’d have somewhat of a split union for the next two years. What happened in 2008 is that they stalemated, essentially, for a year. [They] lost a year’s worth of wage increases, estimated at a total of, I think, $100 million in losses, and got nothing for that stalemate. So if we ended up with that again, we could end up with a production slowdown and with an effect on what people will actually see out there on their screens.
Note: Some of The Frame’s producers are members of SAG-AFTRA.
Mac Quayle breaks down his Emmy-nominated score for 'American Horror Story'
Mac Quayle may not be a household name, but you’ve probably heard his work. He helped compose music for the Ryan Gosling crime drama, "Drive," the critically-acclaimed HBO movie "The Normal Heart," with Cliff Martinez, and — most recently — “Mr. Robot” — the hit show on the USA network.
And Quayle recently got his first Emmy nomination for writing the score on FX’s "American Horror Story: Freak Show.”
But before he scored for film and television, Mac Quayle was a music producer for the likes of Britney Spears, Madonna and Donna Summer.
Donna Summer - I Will Go With You
The Frame’s John Horn talks with composer Mac Quayle about his work for TV and film, and why he's fond of '80s electro music:
INTERVIEW HIGHLIGHTS:
How does your dance music background connect to your work on film and TV?
I think there's a connection with making dance music, which is what I did with Donna Summer, and now scoring for film and television. I'm applying a lot that I learned as a dance producer now in my composing technique.
What are the similarities?
Dance music has a lot of repetition in it. I can't do as much repetition in composing, but I still use that as a technique — having one thing just repeating over and over, slowly changing, and other things on top of it that are changing as well.
Can you remember watching a TV show or a movie and noticing the music being effective?
It's interesting because I didn't notice it that much as I was growing up. I would notice some music and thought it was interesting, things that would stand out like "Jaws." Maybe that's one of the first things I remember, that theme. But I wasn't actually thinking about how effective it was in the film. That came much later. So certain sounds that resonated with me would jump out and I would notice it. And then other scores, I wouldn't even notice that there was music there.
The piano is prevalent in "American Horror Story: Freak Show." What inspired you to use this instrument?
Piano in this show was something that really came out of some initial discussions about some of the musical sounds that were going to be used in this season. There were talks about early 20th Century classical music and how that might influence some themes, and piano seemed like a natural choice.
Let's talk about the themes in "American Horror Story." This season was "Freak Show," set in the 1950's, and features a killer clown and carnies. People would look at that premise and say, We're gonna have some scary clown music, music boxes, detuned pipe organs. That's the obvious choice. That's not what you wanted to do?
Well, there was some of that. It makes sense. It works so well with the images. But what was more prevalent was one of the first pieces of music that I wrote for the show. It ended up being called "'50s Sci-Fi Strings." It was evoking sci-fi soundtracks from the 1950s. It was a very simple string motif that was doubled with a theremin.
Explain what a theremin is.
A theremin is an instrument that was invented by a guy named [Leon] Theremin ... back in the 1920s. It's an electronic instrument [that] looks like an old TV antenna — a couple pieces of metal sticking out of a wooden box. As you move your hand close to the metal, there's a magnetic field that produces a tone, and how you move your hand changes the pitch and volume of the tone.
People who have listened to your music know that you are fond of music from the 1980s, which comes to the fore with some work you've done for a film called "L.A. Slasher." What were you after with this film?
Well, it's a fun, wacky film. The Slasher, the main character, thinks reality TV is the worst thing ever and so he goes around Los Angeles...
He's not alone...
[Laughs] I did resonate with his basic premise. He goes around Los Angeles, kidnapping, torturing and killing reality TV stars and then promoting it on social media. The public supports him— surprisingly, or not— and it turns out that he likes '80s music. So my job was to create cues that made him happy as he went around wreaking havoc in the reality TV world.
Your music is ethereal and electronic. How did that genre come about for you as your signature?
It started with a love of "Star Trek" when I was a kid and I wanted to be in a room filled with all those things on the bridge — all of those flashing lights, computers. And then I got introduced to synthesizers. There was this guy in this local band where I grew up in Virginia, and he invited me over to his house to see these two synthesizers that he had and he played them for me. I was maybe 15 and it just blew my mind.
Ever since, I've been trying to replicate the way I felt that day. He helped me buy my first synthesizer and then I bought another one and I started getting a studio. I've always just really immersed myself in that. I love real instruments, but there's something about electronic instruments that just gets me.
Now that you've done the horror film, "L.A. Slasher" and the TV show "American Horror Story," is it okay if you're typecast as "the horror movie guy?" Or do you not want to be that guy?
It wasn't something that I set out to be typecast as. I've never really worked in horror before. None of this has been straight-up horror so I don't know if I'm going to end up in that role.
As a new dad, are you ambivalent about working on shows that are violent? Do you want to do a family comedy now?
I did speak to a fellow composer recently who now has two kids and, in the past, was doing a lot of horror shows and now has somehow switched into kid films and shows. And he says, "Now my kids can come in the studio, cause otherwise they couldn't see the images on the screen."
Johnny Knoxville tells the story of his childhood hero, Evel Knievel, in 'Being Evel'
Even though his last appearance at a motorcycle stunt event was in 1981, it's still hard to think of a more iconic stuntman than Evel Knievel. His legacy as a performer is so great that it's inspired a
and spawned a TV show on Discovery about daredevils.
Of course, there was a more complicated — and less heroic — person behind all the stunts, and examining that person is what happens in the new documentary, "Being Evel." The movie was produced by a kindred spirit in the stunt world — Johnny Knoxville of MTV "Jackass" fame.
When Knoxville spoke with The Frame, he reflected on Knievel's long-lasting appeal, whether or not Evel ever practiced for his occasionally insane stunts, and how the daredevil's philosophy influenced Knoxville and Co. on "Jackass."
Highlights:
KNIEVEL'S APPEAL
Evel is the ultimate showman. Elvis could sing — he was great looking and charismatic. But Evel not only did these death-defying stunts and invent that whole genre, but he was so smart, charismatic and he was such a salesman — he could talk anyone into anything.
EVEL KNIEVEL AND FEAR
Evel wouldn't ever admit he was scared, and from the people that were around him, they would all admit that you could tell when he was scared. His life was on the line with every jump, so I don't know if he was honest about his fear. I'm very honest about my fear — when I'm doing a stunt that I think could be forever bad, I'm scared. I recognize that I'm scared, but I still do it. We need the footage. [laughs]
ON KNIEVEL'S PROCESS
Evel did no rehearsal. I think his only rehearsal was to take a shot of Wild Turkey and say, "You've got to feel it!" I've seen people today that go so big or jump so far, but if some people are trying to jump 300 feet, first they'll jump 100 feet, move it back, jump 110, and on and on. Evel didn't do practice jumps until Kings Island, which was near the end of his career. Other than that, he just went for it.
He's the godfather of just going for it, and sometimes he would crash, which was what really made him popular, to be honest. His crashes made him famous. That whole mindset is just like, Okay, let's have crashes. If we ever land a stunt, we're doing it again. And that spirit hovers over "Jackass."
HOW KNOXVILLE BALANCES THE DARK SIDE OF KNIEVEL WITH HIS HERO
I learned quite a bit in making this documentary, but all heroes have flaws. Superheroes have no flaws, usually, because they're superheroes, and Evel was a superhero to me. I don't want to get into listing the worst things he ever did, because I don't think that's helpful. We cover everything in the documentary, warts and all, but I'm very conflicted now with Evel, because I'm still that little kid when it comes to him. He's my hero, but some stuff's really hard to swallow.
"Being Evel" opens in select theaters on Aug. 21st. You can also get it on itunes.