Aubrey Plaza is changing things up with her role in the FX show, “Legion,” and in two movie parts this summer, including the mentally unbalanced title character in “Ingrid Goes West”; When actor Algee Smith auditioned for “Detroit,” director Kathryn Bigelow did not give him the script or tell him much about the film. Smith chats with John about Bigelow’s unusual process.
Aubrey Plaza basks in the discomfort of 'Ingrid Goes West'
It's pretty common for fans to confuse an actor with a character they play on TV or in film. Aubrey Plaza says she's used to people assuming that she is April Ludgate, the character she played for seven seasons on the NBC series "Parks and Recreation." But this could be the year that changes.
Plaza has taken on a really wide range of roles in 2017. On the FX show "Legion," she plays the shape-shifting Lenny Busker, who may or may not be an actual human being. She's also producing and starring in two very different films this summer.
In "The Little Hours," she plays a foul-mouthed 14th Century nun, and in "Ingrid Goes West," directed and co-written by Matt Spicer, she plays Ingrid Thorburn. She’s an unhinged young woman who goes to extreme lengths to befriend the Instagram-famous Taylor Sloane, played by Elizabeth Olsen:
Aubrey Plaza talked with The Frame Host John Horn about her roles in "Ingrid Goes West" and "Legion" and why she's recently taken on the role of film producer as well.
Interview highlights:
On what drew her to the role of Ingrid:
The script reminded me of movies that are my favorite kinds of movies— "To Die For," "King of Comedy" especially is one of my all-time favorite movies. And it really reminded me of that. It reminded me of Rupert Pupkin [played by Robert DeNiro in "King of Comedy"], a character that is so flawed, but you just love him anyway. And you can't stop watching him and you are rooting for him even though he's just doing just really awful things and behaving very badly and strangely. And there was just something about that that felt very old-school to me and I just really liked the idea of being in a movie that is from my character's perspective that's almost like a psychological thriller.
On how she prepared for the role and why she found it so fun:
I approach everything that I do in the same way. I have someone that I work with... an acting coach. We have a process that we work with that's a very almost cathartic process where I kind of really use things in my own life as inspiration for the work. And as far as research and all that stuff goes, it can never be too much for me. That's why I like acting is I'm so interested in behavior and people and why they do things, and for me it was so fun to allow myself to go down that rabbit hole of toxic Instagram impulse... I tend to be drawn to things that are scary and challenging. Those are the things that are fun for me. The more uncomfortable I am, the best time I'm having.
On what she learned from her first two producing credits for "The Little Hours" and "Ingrid Goes West":
It kind of opened my brain up to just all the possibilities of how I could be more involved in what I'm doing and take more control over what I'm doing. I went to film school and I've always been interested in filmmaking. I'm interested in the entire process and as an actor you can only do so much, you only have so much control over the end product. And I was really interested in just going along for the ride from the very beginning to the very end and trying to really influence the movie in every way that I could... The movie-making process, for me, is a magical process. There's a great book that Jerry Lewis wrote about filmmaking and [there's something he talks about] where it's kind of like every little thing affects the end product— personalities, relationships, just the vibe on the set. And I've been on so many sets at this point that I think I've learned how it can be done in a great way and I've learned how it can be done in a really bad way. So I think having the opportunity to be a leader in that way and kind of create the environment that I thought would make the best movie was really fun and it taught me that it can be done.
To hear the full interview with Aubrey Plaza, click the blue player above.
Actor Algee Smith on truth and empathy in Kathryn Bigelow's 'Detroit'
For his audition for the film "Detroit," Algee Smith had to think fast and react quickly.
Director Kathryn Bigelow brought Smith and several other actors into a room. They were auditioning for a role as a singer and she asked them to improvise a crucial scene. Smith describes the experience:
[Kathryn's] like, OK guys, I just want you to make up a song on the spot and then there's going to be a police officer that comes in. He's going to throw you up against the wall. And you just have to react. And we were just like, OK! ... I feel like that really solidified characters in that one audition.
"Detroit" takes place during the summer of 1967, when three young African-American men were murdered at the Algiers Motel by white police officers. Smith plays the real-life singer Larry Reed, a member of the soul group The Dramatics, and a survivor of the incident.
The script was written by Mark Boal, who worked with Bigelow on "Zero Dark Thirty" and "The Hurt Locker."
When Smith stopped by The Frame, he talked about what it was like to work with Bigelow and Boal, who are both white, to tell this story. Smith says he and his fellow actors talked about it on set.
The only thing that we were worried about was just making sure that ... Kathryn didn't try to act like she knew everything that was going on. And the amazing thing is she didn't try that. She brought us in and said, I trust you guys with knowing this. I'm not going to act like I know it. So I just want to be the person to push this story. But I want you guys to tell this story. So I feel like that was the amazing part.
Smith also attributes Bigelow's previous work as a testament to her abilities as a storyteller, citing works such as "Point Break" and "Zero Dark Thirty," and "The Hurt Locker," which garnered six Academy Awards including best picture and best director.
She gets as close to the facts of telling a story as she can and she holds no punches. ... I feel like with that type of storytelling and filmmaker, it doesn't matter who tells this story as long as they can do that — as long as they can paint this picture and get the details from the actual people and paint it a certain way and make it look good and make you feel like you're there. I don't think it matters whether she's white, black or whatever.
Smith acknowledges the difficulty of putting himself, as a black man, into the very difficult situations of the film. But he says opening his mind and letting go helped him understand what the real-life people involved in the Algiers Motel incident went through:
I just had to let go and say, This is not about me. I don't even fully understand the actual weight of what these actual people went through. But I do understand empathy. I do understand, I see why they did this, I know what caused this, because I feel that in my heart too. Just being a black man, I know what it feels like to get talked down to, to get harassed, to be looked at a certain way. And so I just had to let go of myself and realize ... I'm a vessel. And that's all that I am here [to do] — to just be a vessel for these people.
Smith said what helped his performance was working with actors such as Will Poulter, who plays a police officer named Krause.
After every take he was checking on me and making sure we were all good, [saying], Am I doing too much? Just let me know when to stop. But I told him, Sometimes, yeah, you're doing a little too much. But I told him he has to go to those extremes to be able to tell this story and show people that's what it really was — and still is in some cases. So all of me was having to put myself in those shoes and really feel those words and think that they were real to me.
Smith says despite the traumatic nature of the scenes, Bigelow was able to create a safe space for the actors.
I don't know how Kathryn did it. She created this environment and she didn't direct us. That's one thing she didn't do, she didn't say, I need this from you, or, Turn around like this. She just said, This is your playground. You find it. You do what actually feels real to you and I'll just be here to catch any way you want to turn.
Smith says there was no camera blocking or marks for the actors, and the entire set was lit so they could step anywhere they felt they needed to. The open set helped him to be free with his character.
Another important factor for Smith's performance was being kept in the dark about certain aspects about the future of his character and the others who were confronted by the police. This gave him a chance to react to things in an authentic way.
I think it was important for Kathryn to keep me in the unknown because these actual people didn't know what was going to happen to them either. ... She said, These guys didn't know what would happen to five seconds later or five minutes later or an hour later or tomorrow. They didn't even think that they would make it to tomorrow.
She wanted to keep me in that same mind set of not knowing anything. I didn't know what Will [Poulter] was going to say to me. Everything that he was saying I was hearing for the first time. And so I'm just really reacting in real time.
Though the film portrays a difficult subject, Smith believes it shines a light on important, present realities faced by the black community, and including the families of the victims of the Algiers Motel incident, who received a mere $5,000 payout while the police officers were acquitted of the murders.
The truth of this story is that, first of all, systematic racism is definitely alive. Police brutality is definitely still very alive and active. This story is shining a light on that. This story is a call for justice ... [actor] Anthony Mackie has said it: We have to grow up and realize that we're all human beings. And that just is what it is and we have to co-exist.
Smith hopes that besides empathy and education, the film can be something that Larry Reed can be proud of. Smith portrays Reed in the film and the two teamed up on a song for the film titled "Grow."
I hope when Larry watches this film that he agrees with the truth that's being displayed in here. And that he can say that happened. And that he can approve of, not my performance of him, but my emotion and how he was feeling.
To hear the full interview with Algee Smith, click on the player above.