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The state of California's water, new Pluto data, what makes a 'good' school?

File: A school bus arrives at a school in Los Angeles on Dec. 16, 2015.
File: A school bus arrives at a school in Los Angeles on Dec. 16, 2015.
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Flint, Michigan's water crisis inspires scrutiny over California, a look at some new Pluto data, our new series on the school landscape in Southern California.
Flint, Michigan's water crisis inspires scrutiny over California, a look at some new Pluto data, our new series on the school landscape in Southern California.

Flint, Michigan's water crisis inspires scrutiny over California, a look at some new Pluto data, our new series on the school landscape in Southern California.

Why 'school choice' matters—even if you don't have a kid

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Why 'school choice' matters—even if you don't have a kid

Parents throughout L.A. have been on the hunt since last fall for a "good" school for their children. And now, many are finding out whether they got in. 

But what is a "good" school? Even if you don't have kids, it's something to consider.

Just think about where some of your tax dollars go and what a so-called "good" school in your neighborhood can do to home prices. Or about what a widening achievement gap means for the future of the economy.

In big cities like L.A., there are lots of schools to choose from, but is that really a good thing?

SCPR Education Reporter Kyle Stokes and L.A. parents Benjamin Henwood, Emily Simon and Brandi Jordan joined Take Two to discuss.

Why so many choices?

'School choice' is something that we don't really think about, but it's actually been a facet of major school district education going way back decades. In L.A., the magnet school program goes back to 1977, that's when it first got started under desegregation. It was a means of removing the problem of racial isolation in schools.

As the years have gone on it's taken on a little bit of a different flavor. People talk about 'school choice' as a means of breaking people out of the zip code that they're in. There's this critique that you hear a lot from many different corners that says 'no child's success in school should be determined by the zip code in which he lives.'

What does the term 'school choice' mean?

It refers to going to a school outside of your neighborhood or home school, using any different number of options— charter schools, magnet schools, anywhere where you're applying to a situation where you're not going to the school down the block or the zone in which you live.

And that appeals to people from a lot of different sides of the political spectrum. People on the left love to think about it in terms of equality of outcomes. When it comes to people being able to have economic opportunity in this world, you need to go to a good school. On the right a really interesting emerging story line is that public school systems are a monopoly because they're so big and so impenetrable, and that's kind of accountable to no one, so the argument goes. And that's why school choice has become such a popular option for so many people.

How widespread is 'school choice'?

There is a really interesting report that surveyed parents in eight different big cities— Baltimore, Cleveland, Denver, Detroit, Indianapolis, New Orleans, Philadelphia, D.C. And they bear out what I think you'll find in a lot of big cities all across the country. The survey suggests 55 percent of parents are exercising school choices. And it wasn't just those kind of active, involved, well-educated parents with master's degrees. It found 59 percent of parents with some college or more were exercising school choice, but so were 49 percent of people with a high school education or less. It's a very universal phenomenon.

When it comes to schools for our children, are more choices a better thing?

I think the jury is out on that in a lot of respects. You look at people who are supporters of charter schools for instance who say charter schools are a major means of driving equity and providing other options. But then in the macro view, you look at the differences between a charter school and a regular school district school and, on balance,  those even out. Charters don't perform any better or any worse.

The other issue is desegregation and that's one of those issues where the jury is also still out. Magnet schools for instance were a means of ending segregation in schools back when it was first rolled out here in L.A., but I think now if you look at the evidence, the anecdotal evidence is maybe that it's the parents who are affluent, who are best able to navigate the system, that are using school choice to find the best outcomes for their kids and thus resegregating schools. It's not clear that that's happening but it's a possibility. The research is still not proven on that, but it's possible that 'school choice' is exacerbating this long-standing problem that we've had.

Why should people who don't have kids care about this?

If you don't have kids that go to public schools, I think you still have to care about the outcomes of public schools. If you look at our country versus other developed nations around the world and you look at our levels post-secondary, college or career-ready attainment, you absolutely have to be worried. You absolutely have to be worried about the problem of the achievement gap where students of color and white students or privileged students don't have the same outcomes that we would like to see if we want to have a healthy economy. The future of our economy is at stake here.

What L.A. parents have to say:

Emily Simon, a writer/producer and Eagle Rock magnet school parent:



"I would talk myself into 'oh it's fine it's fine we'll do what we need to do when we need to do it' and then I would wake up as if out of a nightmare, just heart pounding, sick to my stomach. Because I care so much about my son's future, every parent cares about their child's future. And you're made to think that this will determine everything. That where your child goes to kindergarten will just project the rest of his life. " 

Brandi Jordan, owner of The Cradle Company, and mother of two children, one who attends a French immersion private school:



"What I'm seeing now in schools, and you would think that it would have grown and become less segregated, [is] that you're getting more of that. And so I think that's part of the issue that I want my kid to also learn what's not in the textbooks. Can they learn about socioeconomic diversity? Are they going to know about a global mindset? Are they going to understand people who live in apartments versus people who live in big houses? That's something that I think is really hard to navigate. When you want the best for your kid, does that mean that you're going to private school and foregoing diversity?" 

Benjamin Henwood, an assistant professor at USC's School of Social Work and a father of twins entering kindergarten:



"It's a big decision to make but I think what I've learned is [that] the sort of wisdom out there on the street, I don't think it holds actually. I know many of the people in the neighborhood who go to the local school who love it, who think it's a great school. I know plenty of people who've gone to the better schools and pulled their kids out— 'better' meaning higher ranked or [higher] scores. So I think some of that has put me more at ease." 

Series: Good Schools

Take Two takes a close look at the education landscape in the Los Angeles area, including its public schools, magnets, charters, private institutions, and dual-language programs. Over the course of the coverage you’ll hear from parents and academics; teachers and kids; and even from a couple of TV show producers about how this obsession with a “good” school in L.A. has seeped into popular culture.

Read more in this series and let us know your thoughts on Facebook, or tweet us

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with the hashtag #goodschools.

To hear the full interview, click the blue player above.

New Pluto images reveal details of dwarf planet's surface and surroundings

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New Pluto images reveal details of dwarf planet's surface and surroundings

Pluto is most certainly having its moment.

When it was discovered back in 1930 it was considered the last planet in our solar system.  Then, ten years ago it got demoted, reclassified as a dwarf planet.

Last July, the New Horizons spacecraft whizzed past Pluto, and since then scientists have been poring over the data it collected.

And now, we're starting to get a much clearer picture of our distant neighbor, while maybe finding it's more mysterious than anyone imagined.

Take Two's A Martinez spoke with Emily Lakdawalla, Senior Editor and Planetary Evangelist at the Planetary Society to find out more about why these reports have people so excited.

To hear the full conversation, click the blue player above

How LA's old pipes impact its tap water

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How LA's old pipes impact its tap water

As Los Angeles residents brace for higher water bills, the LADWP said it's preparing to update the city's crumbling water infrastructure, much of which is over 100 years old. 

The antiquated system is impacting Angeleno's water quality, said UCLA Professor of Environmental Sciences Hilary Godwin.

"If there are cracks in the pipes, then there can be infiltration of water and leakage from the soil into the pipes," she said. "And then we also have to worry about some of the older pipes having lead or lead solder in them that can cause contamination in the water."

Godwin told Take Two's A Martinez she's not surprised LADWP is pushing to update its system and replace many of its pipes. 

"About 44 percent of the water infrastructure in Los Angeles received a 'C' or lower grade, based on pipe age, soil quality and water pressure... from the American Society of Civil Engineers," she said. "It's not too surprising that we're seeing things like water main breaks."

According to Godwin, water authorities in the U.S. typically adjust the water quality to make sure that it's alkaline enough. The hope is that it can in turn help to prevent lead from leaching into the system. They also add chlorine, which helps combat contamination of the water after it leaves the plant where it was treated. 

Still, sometimes contaminants get through.

If homeowners are concerned, they can get reports on the quality of the water that flows to their home, but those don't necessarily reflect what's coming out of the tap.

Those tests are done as the water leaves the treatment plant, and there are plenty of chances for contamination along the way. 

To find out what exactly they're sipping from the faucet, homeowners would have to test the water themselves.

Most common contamination problems can be taken care of with home water filters, Godwin said, but they do miss some major culprits, like arsenic, which can show up in well-water.

Overall, Godwin said, Southern California's tap water is good. Still, it's worth investing in infrastructure and staying vigilant when it comes to keeping water pure, she added.

To hear the entire conversation between A Martinez and Hilary Godwin, click on the audio embedded at the top of this post.

Lab Notes: Pregnant dinosaurs, peppy office workers and super fast animals

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Lab Notes: Pregnant dinosaurs, peppy office workers and super fast animals

On this week's segment of lab notes:

  • Pregnant T-Rex: Scientists say they have found evidence of the first known pregnant T-Rex fossil.
  • Standing Desks: A new study says the standing desk might not be all that beneficial.
  • Speedy animals: new research has found an animal that can accelerate at speed rivaling those of fighter pilots.

As always, Sanden Totten, KPCC's peppy science reporter, joined the show to break down the latest in science news.

To hear the full interview, click the blue play button above.

Apple engineers could resist court order to hack iPhone

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Apple engineers could resist court order to hack iPhone

Authorities have been pressuring the tech company to crack an iPhone used by one of the attackers involved in December's San Bernardino attacks that left fourteen dead. 

So far, Apple has resisted the FBI's request, and both sides have been duking it out in court, and in the court of public opinion.

Now, some engineers at Apple say they would resist an order to hack into the phone if a judge orders Apple to comply with the FBI request.

The New York Times' Katie Benner spoke to half-a-dozen current and former Apple engineers and wrote about it for the paper. She joined Take Two to talk about it. 

Press the blue play button above to hear the interview.

El Niño brings some relief to parched East Porterville

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El Niño brings some relief to parched East Porterville

Recently El Niño has been making its presence known a bit, at least in Northern California. 

A series of storms there has rapidly filled  some reservoirs – the one at Lake Shasta is actually above average for this time of year.

But what does this mean for California's ongoing drought? 

We return to the Central Valley town of East Porterville, a place that's been hit especially hard by the drought, to get a better sense.

Take Two chats with Andrew Lockman, emergency manager for Tulare County where East Porterville is located.

Could the mid life crisis be a good thing?

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Could the mid life crisis be a good thing?

When you think of the term midlife crisis, what comes to mind?

The guy who buys the flashy sports car ... maybe the newly divorced women who turns her back on her old life and travels the world.

But although its not often thought of in a positive light, could it be getting a bad rap?

That's one of the ideas raised by Barbara Bradley Haggerty in her new book, Life Reimagined - The Science, Art and Opportunity of Midlife.

Too Late, an old-school take on the crime drama genre

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Too Late, an old-school take on the crime drama genre

The new film Too Late is a bit of a throw back to another era of movie-making. The film, shot in continuos takes on 35mm film, tells the story of a private eye named Mel Sampson.

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on Vimeo.

Sampson is played by actor John Hawkes, who you might also know from shows like East Bound and Down and Deadwood.

Alex Cohen recently had the chance to speak with John Hawkes and the writer/ director Dennis Hauck. 

Metro's billion dollar measure

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Metro's billion dollar measure

What would you buy for $120 billion?

Well, L.A. County Metro is hoping voters will buy into a ballot measure to raise that much for transportation projects.

Officials just announced a list of projects that could be funded with that money. SCPR's Meghan McCarty was at Metro headquarters and she joined the show to discuss the news.

To hear the full interview, click the blue play button above.