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Presidential endorsements, Copa América update, tattoo recognition technology

Barack Obama and Hillary Clinton address supporters at a Florida rally in October 2008.
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The effectiveness of a presidential endorsement, Copa América continues, plus a tattoo database may be violating privacy laws.
The effectiveness of a presidential endorsement, Copa América continues, plus a tattoo database may be violating privacy laws.

The effectiveness of a presidential endorsement, Copa América continues, plus a tattoo database may be violating privacy laws.

A nod from the Head of State rarely leads to a win in November

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A nod from the Head of State rarely leads to a win in November

Well, it's official. President Obama endorsed Hillary Clinton in her run for the Oval Office Thursday. 

The backing came in the form of a video, released shortly after the president wrapped up a White House meeting with Senator Bernie Sanders:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S9W0F2mz1jc

Obama begins campaigning with Clinton in Wisconsin next week.

Throughout her campaign, Clinton has touted the President's achievements; so what will happen when he returns the favor? And what does history tell us about the effectiveness of a nod from the head of state? 

Barbara Perry is the director of presidential studies the University of Virginia's Miller Center. She gave Take Two's A Martinez a quick history lesson. 

Endorsement: Bill Clinton to Al Gore
Year: 2000
Song that best describes Gore's response: Complicated, by Avril Lavigne 

TLDR: President Clinton endorsed his vice-president before the Iowa Primary — that's pretty early. Gore smiled for the cameras, but also wanted to distance himself from several Clinton controversies including his impeachment.

Outcome: Gore loses

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7hnCpJeZ1K4

Barbara Perry's take: 



"By contemporary standards, it comes so early in the process. Bill Clinton is endorsing Al Gore, which cleared the field and cleared the way for Al Gore to sweep the nomination. Only Bill Bradley opposed him, and he was eliminated pretty quickly by March. 



Gore had to walk a very fine line because he was happy to get the president's endorsement, and the president, despite all his difficulties and near removal from office because of the Lewinski scandal, actually left office as one of the top three most popular presidents of the modern age. So you would have thought that would have worked well for Al Gore, but he had to walk this tightrope because he didn't want to get tied down by this Lewinski scandal and he even told the media that President Clinton had lied to him about the Lewinski scandal as it developed in the White House. 



You might make that case that it would have helped Gore if he had let popular Bill Clinton go out and campaign for him, but he didn't and he ended up losing by a razor-thin margin. He even lost President Clinton's home state of Arkansas." 

Endorsement: Ronald Reagan to George H.W. Bush
Year: 1988
Song that best describes Bush's response: Tired of Waiting for You, by The Kinks

TLDR: It took Ronald Reagan until May of the election year to endorse his vice-president. Having the Gipper's endorsement didn't hurt Bush Senior, but it put him in a sticky situation. 

Outcome: Bush wins

Ronald Reagan after George Bush wins the presidency:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AEAM2mHQEMQ

Barbara Perry's take:



"It was viewed as a rather tepid endorsement of his vice president. The good news for Bush 41 was that Ronald Reagan left office as a very popular president as he came to the end of his two terms, but there was also scandal surrounding the president: Iran-Contra. George H.W. Bush had maintained that he was not involved in that illegal process at all. 



It helped him because he swept to the White House with an overwhelming landslide victory over Michael Dukakis in 1988." 

Endorsement: Dwight Eisenhower to Richard Nixon
Year: 1960
Song that best describes Nixon's response: Mr. Lonely, by Bobby Vinton

TLDR: Dwight Eisenhower did not endorse his vice-president, Richard Nixon. 

Outcome: Nixon loses this one

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_6sefKUBJT8

Barbara Perry's take:



"Nixon lost the popular vote to John F. Kennedy by only one-tenth of a percent. It was one of the closest elections ever in the popular vote, but Kennedy did have quite a margin in the electoral college. 



It's hard to say that that lack of enthusiasm from Eisenhower for Nixon doomed him, but it certainly didn't help him, and if he had given him a robust, enthusiastic, warm endorsement, Nixon could have won Illinois and would have put him within about seven points of winning the electoral college."

So, will an Obama endorsement help unite the Democratic Party around Hillary Clinton? 

"President Obama's endorsement should certainly help Mrs. Clinton, especially as his approval ratings are rising. They were quite up in the stratosphere of Clinton or Reagan when they left office, but the seem to be ticking up. But again, there's that two-edged sword. Mrs. Clinton certainly wanted the endorsement of the president, but she has to defend some of his policies which have been unpopular and that would include Obamacare."

Press the blue play button above to hear the full interview. 

(Answers have been edited for clarity.)

Minority students are the new majority in America's public schools

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Minority students are the new majority in America's public schools

There's a new majority in America's public schools.

In 2014, students of color outnumbered non-Hispanic white students for the first time in public school classrooms.

It's a demographic shift that's outpaced changes taking place in the general U.S. population. And it stands in stark contrast to the demographic makeup of the teacher workforce, which is 80 percent white.

So how to bridge the gap?

A new collaboration from Slate and The Teacher Project at Columbia's Graduate School of Journalism is examining the impact of this new majority-minority makeup of public schools.

It's a series called "Tomorrow's Test: Race in America's Schools" that focuses on stories from 11 cities, including Los Angeles.

Joining Take Two to discuss: 

Does a photo database of inmates' tattoos violate privacy and First Amendment rights?

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Does a photo database of inmates' tattoos violate privacy and First Amendment rights?

Police collect and use all kinds of data to describe suspects, like eye and hair color, height, body type, race and other physical details. Tattoos can also be useful to law enforcement agencies because they are often distinct, and they often have meaning.

The National Institute of Standards and Technology (NIST) is a government agency that conducted a two-year- study, funded by the FBI, into whether algorithms could be used to accurately to identify and match tattoos of inmates and others under arrest.

The project turned out to be pretty successful, but the study has brought up questions about privacy of inmates and ethics of research techniques.

Dave Maass is an investigative researcher for the Electronic Frontier Foundation and has been writing about this issue. He spoke to A Martinez about the tattoo recognition technology.

Interview highlights

On how the study works:



The NIST which is one of the oldest research institutions in the federal government has been running a research program with the FBI to encourage the development of algorithms that can identify tattoos, start to reveal their meanings, and connect people with similar tattoos to one another. This involved collecting data sets of tattoos—the first one was more than 15,000 images—and distributing them to third parties, including eight private companies. There were at least 19 third parties in all that received the data set and they were assigned a series of tests and then they either self-reported back. In a lot of cases, some didn't report back at all. ...It's a database that's already used in investigations by the FBI and various law enforcement. This dataset is mean to test and train tattoo recognition algorithms.

On the objections to the program:



When we're talking about science, there are certain ethical standards for how things should be conducted. In this case, they used—almost entirely—tattoos collected in law enforcement settings, particularly jails and prisons. While you might think that prisoners lose a lot of rights once they're in prison, they actually have a lot more rights when it comes to being subjects in scientific experiments. In this case, NIST did not go through the ethical process prior to conducting the research and as a result, a lot of the research is ethically questionable and threatens privacy and civil liberties. Part of that is these images were handed to a lot of third parties with very little restrictions, but also a lot of the tests involved some questionable methodology that seemed to target people based on their religion. A lot of the white papers and presentations and instructions that were involved talked specifically about how tattoos can reveal people's religious and ritualistic beliefs, their political ideology, and their affiliations with various groups.

On what makes tattoos different from fingerprints or photos [in investigations]:



In a lot of ways, it's very similar and there's a lot of concerns over how facial recognition is being used by the private sector and by police, and there's a lot of comparisons that can be made on how people can be tracked by their faces, or in this case, by their tattoos on CCTV, in images online, but what's different about tattoos rather than face and fingerprints is that basically fingerprints don't tell you about people's beliefs. It isn't necessarily speech but tattoos are speech. They are how we express who we are, they may show our past, things that we used to believe in, but they also show whether you're connected to a military group, connected to a labor union. You might get tattoos that show your political beliefs...but also what religion you're a part of.

On what's wrong if this helps investigations:



That might be true, but I think you can make the same argument about eliminating the Fourth Amendment [the right to be protected against "unreasonable search and seizure"] altogether. I think that, certainly, if you put video cameras in everyone's homes, maybe that would result in more successful investigations, but that isn't consistent with how Americans cherish their privacy and their freedoms.

NIST sent a statement in response to the EFF report. It's here in full:



NIST has a long history of cutting edge research and evaluations in the field of image processing. Several of these projects have assisted law enforcement agencies in advancing pattern analysis in fields such as fingerprint and ballistics matching and facial recognition. In 2014, NIST began working on a project to evaluate automated, image-based tattoo recognition technologies.



The project uses a database of tattoo images to fairly and reproducibly assess which algorithms from companies and research groups produce the highest-quality matches. The goal of the NIST project is to help ensure tattoo matching technologies are evaluated using sound science to improve accuracy and minimize mismatches. NIST communications materials (e.g., presentations, reports) have been updated to more clearly reflect the intent of this project.



NIST’s work on this project does not involve the use of human subjects as defined by federal regulations. The database contains images only, with no accompanying information on the individuals whose tattoos were photographed.



The project has been reviewed and determined to not meet the criteria for human subjects research as defined by federal regulations.



The NIST project is about measuring the effectiveness of algorithms for accurately matching digital images.  The NIST project is not about the many complex law enforcement policies or approaches that may be related to images of tattoos.



We are reviewing the EFF report and will carefully consider their concerns.

Please click on the Blue Player above to hear the entire interview

'Desierto' explores the charged emotions of immigration

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'Desierto' explores the charged emotions of immigration

In the race to succeed Barack Obama in the White House, immigration has become a key and heated topic.

Presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump has repeatedly talked about building a wall between the U.S. and Mexico, and making our neighbor to the south pay for its construction. The varied and passionate responses to his plan reveal some of the deep differences in this country about the people who try and cross the border in search of a better life here.

Those emotions are explored in the film "Desierto," which closed the Los Angeles Film Festival on Thursday. The film features actor Jeffrey Dean Morgan as a man who takes border patrol duties into his own hands by shooting and killing a group of immigrants, one by one, as they cross the desert.

Warning: This trailer contains moments of graphic violence

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VEt8Mhya3vI

"Desierto" was written and directed by Jonas Cuaron, who also wrote the film "Gravity." 

He joined Take Two's Alex Cohen to tell more about the film, and its uncanny timing.

To hear the full interview, click the blue play button above.

Should the Census start counting the LGBT population?

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Should the Census start counting the LGBT population?

There's this long-held belief that one in 10 Americans is LGBT, but the reality is far from that: researchers don't exactly know.

The best estimate comes from UCLA which finds that 3.5 percent art lesbian, gay or bisexual, and 0.3 percent are trans.

That's why activists are calling on the U.S. Census to begin collecting a comprehensive and accurate count of LGBT people in the country.

But there are challenges: what do Census workers ask to get the most honest answer?

And some LGBT people have trouble coming out to their families, so it might be even harder to answer a stranger who's asking you directly, "Are you gay?"

Take Two talks about how to develop a strategy, and the impact from knowing these numbers, with retired research director for the Williams Institute at UCLA, Gary Gates.

To hear the whole interview, please click on the blue player above

'Twilight Zone' aquarium exhibit brings some of the deepest parts of the ocean to the surface

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'Twilight Zone' aquarium exhibit brings some of the deepest parts of the ocean to the surface

The far-reaching depths of the ocean are more mysterious outer space - there’s still so much we don’t know. But The California Academy of Sciences is unlocking some of those secrets with a new semi-permanent exhibit at the Steinhart Aquarium.

The exhibit is called The Twilight Zone: Deep Reefs revealed and it will feature fish and marine life no one has seen anywhere else.

(
Kathryn Whitney
)

For more, Steinhart aquarium director Bart Shepherd, spoke to host A Martinez.

Interview Highlights

Why is called the Twilight Zone?



"The Twilight Zone gets at two important aspects of the work that we're doing. First of all, the places that we travel to are somewhat dark, they're actually called mesophotic reefs, or middle light reefs and it's so deep that it's really this sort of mysterious deep blue or even dark light down there and so it kind of is twilight. And then the second is really of course, it just really captivates the mystery of the place and the sense of unknown. All of the work that we can do down there, there's so much left to explore on our planet."

(
Luiz Rocha
)

What kind of special equipment was necessary to dive that deep?



"What we do, is we use a closed circuit re-breather and it's basically a machine that recycles the air that you're breathing over and over again. It's kind of like breathing in a bag, except without the passing out part. So we have a filter on our back that is a scrubber that removes the carbon dioxide that we exhale through a chemical reaction and then we have a small tank of oxygen that we can add oxygen back into what we call the loop...and that enables us to do dives up to about seven hours in length."

(
© Luiz Rocha
)

What about the marine life, what was done to keep them safe?



"You know it's really fascinating because a lot of the corals and other animals that are down there we can just collect and bring up and all we have to manage is make sure that they're in the same temperature and the same sort of lighting in which they were collected...we actually developed...a portable fish decompression chamber and when we collect the fish we put them inside this chamber at about 200 or 250 feet deep and we seal it up and then that now becomes the world's deepest aquarium...it keeps the fish at the same pressure at which we collected them for as long as we want and we connect it to a pump on the surface and over a period of a couple of days we can slowly acclimate them to surface pressure."

(
Kathryn Whitney
)

To hear the full interview, click the blue play button above.

Grand Performances celebrate Latino and Chicano culture

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Grand Performances celebrate Latino and Chicano culture

Grand Performances is leading off its 30th anniversary of bringing entertainment to downtown L.A. with the inaugural event of a series celebrating Latino and Chicano culture. It's called Evolución L.A.tino, and it kicks off on Friday with a screening of "Prejudice and Pride." 

Prejudice and Pride trailer

From performance art to comedy, Evolución L.A.tino's lineup of seven different events throughout the summer all explore racial and social issues through the scope of art. The series is part of Grand Performances' larger lineup of free events at California Plaza in downtown L.A. 

Evolución L.A.tino performances

June 10: "Prejudice and Pride" 

The series kicks off with an 8 p.m. screening of "Prejudice and Pride," a documentary that charts Chicano identity through '60s and '70s activism. The documentary is the fifth episode in a PBS series called "Latino Americans: 500 Years of History." 

June 18: Soy Africano  

A night of music pairing West African trademarks and Latin sounds to highlight the influence of Latin music in West Africa. The event starts at 8 p.m. and vocalists include Afrisa International’s Wawali, Son Mayor’s Alfredo Ortiz, Chicano Batman’s Bardo Martinez, Thalma de Freitas and Lazaro Gallaraga, plus surprise guests. 

June 24: Su Voz, Su Canto

Performances of songs and spoken word poetry beginning at 8 p.m. led by Martha Gonzalez of East L.A. band Quetzal.

June 26: The Three Louies 

Three different Louies will bring performance art, comedy and social satire focusing on the absurdities of life. The event starts at 7 p.m. and features Louie Perez of Los Lobos, L.A. Poet Laureate Luis J. Rodriguez, and journalist Luís Torres.

June 30: Making Escabeche with Ernie Miller

Learn to make Escabeche, a spicy pickled carrot and jalapeño veggie dish. You get to take home your own jar of the tasty stuff after learning to make it with Ernie Miller. It starts at 7 p.m. Bring a 16 oz. water bottle and don't forget to RSVP at escabeche@grandperformances.org.  

July 30: Se Mueve: Aquí

Enjoy an 8 p.m. show of spoken word, movement and performance art from local L.A. artists Rafa Esparza, Maria Garcia, Yesika Salgado and Yosimar Reyes as they dive into "Brown" creativity and identity. 

Program curator Leigh Ann Hahn joins Take Two to talk about the lineup.

Interview highlights:

You’ve been with Grand Performances for 25 years. How have culture and LA evolved in that time? 



Quite a lot. But more than arts and culture, I think that downtown, where we’re located, has really seem some phenomenal evolution. You know that moment on Bunker Hill where you could sort of shoot a cannon down the street and not hit anybody at 9 o’clock at night to where now downtown is a vibrant live-work space with a lot of culture, amazing food, cocktails, lots of arts? Just a great place to be for families as well as just the community at large. 

What have been some of the highlights for you over the past few decades? 



I think the Grand Performances has sort of claimed a fame through the decades. It has been bringing artists from around the world to Los Angeles because our programs are free and we tend to be a little bit more experimental, and our goal is present the performing arts traditions of the many different communities that make up this city. We’ve had the opportunity to introduce a lot of artists and different art forms from around the world because we don’t have to worry about selling seats. The Hollywood Bowl has 18,000 they have to sell, so there’s very little real opportunity for a lot of experimentation there. Grand Performances, I think, has played a really important role in bringing new and different voices to our city, in spite of the fact that many of those artists have been well established in their native countries or in their parts of the world… We’re privileged to be able to present artists that are not well known. It’s an opportunity for people to come and take a risk. 

This year, the focus is on Latino and Chicano culture. Why that and why now? 



We all know that Latino culture is an ongoing and important part of the makeup of our city, because we are now well above 40 percent Latino in Los Angeles. I think to actually acknowledge that in a very specific and thoughtful way is really important... To look at the Latino community and some of the political challenges, the cultural challenges that the Latino community has and shares with us as a broader population is just an important thing. I don’t think that we have never not presented Latino culture. It’s been an ongoing part of Grand Performances' trajectory and the things that we do. This year, we’re actually saying ‘This is important’. ... I don’t think you can be in Los Angeles and not be a little bit Latino. 

One event that jumped out at me is The Three Louies. Tell us about that. 



I think of it as us having the opportunity to sit on the sofa and listen to them having a personal conversation. I think it’s going to be funny, it’s going to be fun. I’m hoping for personal revelations. These three gentlemen have known one another for a long while and I think it’s going to be one of those full of chisme, just a lot of fun. They’re just going to tell stories and we hope they tell stories about one another — you know, an inside glimpse. 

Now — food. Food, food and food. Talk to me about food. 



Primarily, we’re going to be looking at the art of making escabeche, which is that wonderful relish that is on every single taco table in the city. It’s a relish that’s made of carrots, jalapeños, onions and bay leaves. Ernest Miller, who is part of the slow food movement here in Los Angeles, is going to be conducting this workshop for us, and each person that comes will have an opportunity to put together a little bucket of the makings and they’ll take it home and it’ll ferment on their counter and in a few days they’ll have a batch of really great escabeche for their eating. We do have a limited number of people that we’re going to be able to accommodate at that one so send us your RSVP. I think for us to try and pretend that culture is only the high arts or only the art is putting our head in the sand because Los Angeles is a city of food. I think talking about food is a very important part of the arts.

What do you hope people take away from this season? 



I hope that people walk away inspired to have conservations with their neighbors, to shake hands, to smile instead of just walking with their head down or their faces buried in their phones — to interact with people and to try something new. We all talk about wanting to be experimental and we all think that we like to try new things. When I want to have a meal, I go to the places that I know. I encourage people to try something new. The beauty of what Grand Performances offers is because it’s all free, all you’re really risking is the time and a little bit of transportation effort. When I first came to Los Angeles, I was really excited to move here, because as an Asian-American woman who grew up in the mid-West, I stood out a lot and I came to Los Angeles because I wanted to be able to blend in, and I think that’s one of the beautiful things. You come to Grand Performances and you’re part of a crowd, you’re part of a mixed community and you are part of Los Angeles.