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Security v. privacy, hospital hacking, 'American Crime Story' executive producers on the OJ story

CUPERTINO, CA - SEPTEMBER 09:  The new iPhone 6 is displayed during an Apple special event at the Flint Center for the Performing Arts on September 9, 2014 in Cupertino, California. Apple unveiled the Apple Watch wearable tech and two new iPhones, the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus.  (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
CUPERTINO, CA - SEPTEMBER 09: The new iPhone 6 is displayed during an Apple special event at the Flint Center for the Performing Arts on September 9, 2014 in Cupertino, California. Apple unveiled the Apple Watch wearable tech and two new iPhones, the iPhone 6 and iPhone 6 Plus. (Photo by Justin Sullivan/Getty Images)
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Apple's refusal to help FBI and what it means for security and privacy, the Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center hacking, bringing the OJ Simpson trial to TV.
Apple's refusal to help FBI and what it means for security and privacy, the Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center hacking, bringing the OJ Simpson trial to TV.

What does Apple's refusal to help the FBI mean about security and privacy?, details on the Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center hacking, executive producer's Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson on bringing the iconic OJ Simpson trail to the screen.

Should Apple help FBI crack San Bernardino shooter's phone?

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Should Apple help FBI crack San Bernardino shooter's phone?

A California judge has ordered Apple to help investigators unlock the iPhone of one of the San Bernardino shooters, Syad Farook.

In a Tuesday ruling, Magistrate Judge Sheri Pym required the tech company to supply the FBI with software that can workaround the passcode block on the phone to access data.

Authorities say data that may be on the phone is crucial to their investigation. But Apple opposes the move. In a letter posted Tuesday, CEO Tim Cook called it an "unprecedented step" that "threatens the security of [its] customers."

For more, we're joined by Jack Lerner, Director of the Intellectual Property, Arts, and Technology Clinic at UC Irvine; and Erroll Southers, Director of the Homegrown Violent Extremism Studies Program at the University of Southern California.

Inside the struggle to alleviate student poverty in LA schools

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Inside the struggle to alleviate student poverty in LA schools

One of the biggest challenges for Los Angeles schools is the number of students who live in poverty.

Almost 80 percent of pupils in the district qualify for free lunch based on family income — that's well above the state and national average. 

Nationwide, about half of all students are classified as poor. Anti-poverty programs in schools can offer free breakfast and lunch to poor students, but that may not be enough. Should schools and school districts be required to do more to help students in poverty? 

Take Two put that question to Alex Johnson, executive director of Children's Defense Fund, California.

Press the Blue play button above to hear the interview. 

Supporters of traditional public schools rally as LA charter battle heats up

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Supporters of traditional public schools rally as LA charter battle heats up

Teachers union supporters rallied at public schools in more than two dozen cities across the country this morning.

The show of support for traditional public schools, as opposed to charter schools, included demonstrations here in Los Angeles at about 170 schools.

Among them, Hamilton High School in West L.A., where attendees included L.A. Unified Superintendent Michelle King and school board president Steve Zimmer.

Kyle Stokes, Southern California Public Radio's new education reporter, joined Take Two to discuss the issues surrounding today's school "walk-ins" in L.A.

To hear the full interview, click the link above.

How a computer hack shut down a hospital and extorted $17,000

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How a computer hack shut down a hospital and extorted $17,000

A Los Angeles hospital paid a ransom in bitcoins equivalent to about $17,000 to hackers who infiltrated and disabled its computer network, the medical center's chief executive said Wednesday.

It was in the best interest of Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center to pay the ransom of 40 bitcoins — currently worth $16,664 dollars — after the network infiltration that began Feb. 5, CEO Allen Stefanek said in a statement.

The FBI is investigating the attack, often called "ransomware," where hackers encrypt a computer network's data to hold it "hostage," providing a digital decryption key to unlock it for a price.

"The quickest and most efficient way to restore our systems and administrative functions was to pay the ransom and obtain the decryption key," Stefanek said. "In the best interest of restoring normal operations, we did this."

Ransomware attacks can happen to everyone from individuals to large institutions.

Bitcoins, the online currency that is hard to trace, were quickly becoming the preferred way hackers collect a ransom, FBI Special Agent Thomas Grasso, who is part of the government's efforts to fight malicious software including ransomware, told The Associated Press last year.

During 2013, the number of attacks each month rose from 100,000 in January to 600,000 in December, according to a 2014 report by Symantec, the maker of antivirus software.

A report from Intel Corp.'s McAfee Labs released in November said the number of ransomware attacks is expected to grow even more in 2016 because of increased sophistication in the software used to do it.

The company estimates that on average, 3 percent of users with infected machines pay a ransom. It's not clear how many of those users were individuals and how many companies. Some ransomware attacks go unreported because the victims don't want it publicized they were hacked.

Workers at Hollywood Presbyterian noticed the network problems on Feb. 5, and it became clear there was a malware infiltration that was disabling the network.

Computer experts and law enforcement were immediately informed, Stefanek said. On Monday, 10 days after the attack, the network was in full operation again, he said.

FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller said the agency is investigating the extortion plot, but she could not immediately provide further details.

Neither law enforcement nor the hospital gave any indication of who might have been behind the attack or whether there are any suspects.

Patient care was not affected by the hacking, and there is no evidence any patient data was compromised, Stefanek said.

The 434-bed hospital in the Los Feliz area of Los Angeles was founded in 1924. It was sold to CHA Medical Center of South Korea in 2004. It offers a range of services including emergency care, maternity services, cancer care, physical therapy, and specialized operations such as fetal and orthopedic surgeries.

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11:13 a.m. Hospital shut down with $3.4 million ransom

Hackers have taken a hospital in Los Angeles hostage, and they say the only cure is to fork over more than $3.4 million.

The computer network at Hollywood Presbyterian Medical Center has been shut down since last week, a victim of a nasty infection known as ransomware. With computers offline, some patients had to transfer to other hospitals. Certain procedures like CT scans couldn't be done and people's personal medical records were affected, too.

Brian Barrett wrote about the incident for Wired magazine. He spoke to Take Two about how a computer hack could take down an entire hospital. Here are the highlights. 

What’s ransomware?



It’s had a lot more public instances lately, but ransomware has been around for about 10 years. Recently though, it's been more high profile because it's evolved. What happens is any other malware that might take over your computer if you click on a suspicious link, except this time when you click on it, it will block you from accessing your computer. And instead, you'll see a message that says, "Pay this amount, and then I'll let you get back in."



What appears to have happened in this case, although the hospital has not released any details, is that a new twist is that they're encrypting all the information on your computer. So that not only can you not access it, you run the risk of never being able to get to it again unless you pay up. And you get a key to get the information back.

Do we know who initiated this particular attack?



We don't. And there's every chance that we may never. The payment systems are through bitcoins, so the screen will show up and say, "Pay us this much bitcoin" — in this case 9,000, which is about $3.5 million. And those payments end up going to anonymous digital wallets so you never really find out who's behind it. There are dozens of people who are using ransomware today — organized groups, individuals. It's really hard to track them down. 

How did they get to this hospital?



Of the little information [the hospital has] given out, they did say it appeared to be a random act. And what happens is, these hackers will put a wide sweep of links in malicious places for people to click, [like] in emails. They basically go phishing.



There's every chance that someone from the hospital just happened to click on the wrong email link and then the hackers found out what they had. And as for this exorbitant sum, a lot of the times when you see these attacks it will be a few hundred dollars here and there. The FBI has even said in the past, "Go ahead and pay it. It's not worth it."



In this case, they're not. I think because it's such a large amount of money. But yeah, it looks as though someone at the hospital was just unfortunate enough to click the wrong link at the wrong time. 



Hospitals are frequently targeted by hackers partly because they have such sensitive information and they have access to a lot of personal records. It's not clear that this is the case though. 

We did reach out to Hollywood Presbyterian but they didn't return our call for comment. But they do have an outgoing voice message that says they'll have a statement later today. Is there a way to break the hack without having to pay the ransom?



That's what they're working with the FBI and LAPD on right now. It's very difficult though, especially when if it's the case where — again we don't know for sure — but if it is the case where the hackers have encrypted all the information then they have a digital key that can unlock it. And without that key, it can be very, very difficult to access that information again.



So you know it is hypothetically impossible. They're going to have a hard time doing it, and they probably need to track down the people who perpetrated this in order to have access. 

Why ask for the ransom in bitcoin?



Bitcoin is anonymous. It's called a cryptocurrency. It's very popular among all sorts of people, hackers or not. But it's untraceable basically. The payment would go to a digital wallet that was anonymous. There's no way to find out whose it is. So that's really the preferred method for this instances. It's sort of the Swiss bank account of the Internet. 



The idea of regulating bitcoin is something that gets tossed around here and there. It's also partly the fact that it's so decentralized. It's hard to regulate in that way too. But I think it's one of those situations where anytime you have an anonymous system or a decentralized system, you're going to have benefits and then people who take advantage of that situation. 

Should we be worried? 



If anything, those alarm bells should probably already have gone off. So if this raises more awareness of this as an issue, that's great. And the good news is protecting yourself against ransom, where really it isn't that different from protecting yourself against any other kind of malware.



You've got to make sure that software is up to date with all the security patches from, whether it's Apple or Microsoft, or whoever. Don't click on links that you don't trust. Don't go to sites that you don't trust. And that's as true on your phone as it is on your laptop or desktop. If you do find yourself in this situation, certainly report it to the authorities. But know that you may end up having to pay.

This story has been updated.

Sports roundup: Ronda Rousey, Peyton Manning, Blake Griffin

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Sports roundup: Ronda Rousey, Peyton Manning, Blake Griffin

An emotional interview by Ronda Rousey, more allegations against Peyton Manning and an apology from Blake Griffin. We hit the big stories in sports with

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"American Crime Story" executive producers on why OJ's story resonates today

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"American Crime Story" executive producers on why OJ's story resonates today

On June 17th, 1994... a Friday, more than 95 million people around the world tuned into live television as the Juice led authorities on a wild chase throughout Southern California.

Simpson was in the back seat of a white Bronco which was being driven by his long term friend, Al Cowlings.

"The People v. OJ Simpson: American Crime Story"

courtesy Twentieth Century Fox Television

The show has done extraordinarily well so far... to date it's the most watched FX premiere EVER.

The show's executive producers Nina Jacobson and Brad Simpson joined the show to discuss how the O.J. case resonates now more than ever. 

To hear the full interview, please press the blue play button above.

Oscar nominated live-action shorts series: 'Day One'

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Oscar nominated live-action shorts series: 'Day One'

With the Academy Awards less than two weeks away, we continue our look at films nominated in the live action short category.

"Day One" takes viewers to Afghanistan and tells the story of a young female interpreter. She's on a mission with U.S. soldiers searching for a terrorist bomber.

But it's a tough first day on the job, complete with the complicated labor of the suspect's pregnant wife.

"Day One" director his Henry Hughes, an army veteran who served two tours in Afghanistan.

He came by with the film's producer, Michael Steiner, and Hughes told host A Martinez about his experience in the military, the woman who inspired the story and the mission behind the story.

To hear the full interview, please press the blue play button above.

The Styled Side: Michelle's favorite picks from Modernism Week

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The Styled Side: Michelle's favorite picks from Modernism Week

If you need a weekend getaway, now's the time to drive to Palm Springs.

The city is in the middle of Modernism Week, a ten-day celebration of all things mod.

On this week's "The Styled Side," contributor Michelle Dalton Tyree from Fashion Trends Daily shares some of her highlights.

  • On Thursday, February 18th, it's an Afternoon with Mad Men. Matthew Weiner and his creative team will  talk about costumes and sets, along with Jessica Pare, who played Megan Draper. Designer Trina Turk, known for her modern take on Palm Springs style will also be there.
  • New York-based Designer Lisa Perry, who owns a spectacular collection of vintage couture clothing from the 60s and 70s, will present some of those key pieces that have inspired her modern collection. She and her husband, whose firm acquired ownership of Barneys New York, own a very formidable pop art collection that has inspired the clothing for her line.
  • Visitors can buy a ticket to tour the Christopher Kennedy showhouse. It's the yearly design house helmed by celebrated Palm Springs interior designer Christopher Kennedy, and they give a room to different designers to put their spin on it. Martyn Lawrence Bullard did a super-glam mirrored dining room with custom wallpaper, for example, and Carson Kressley did one of my favorite fashion-driven rooms by covering one wall full of fashion illustrations from a collaboration he did with The Oliver Gal Artist Co. 

To hear the full interview, please press the blue play button above.