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Flood prevention at SoCal dam, undocumented immigrants and the economy, NFL tickets in LA get pricey

A view of Devils Gate Dam in Angeles National Forest.
A view of Devils Gate Dam in Angeles National Forest.
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LA County works to prevent future flood at the Devil's Gate Dam, the role of undocumented immigrants in the US economy, and high prices ahead for NFL teams tickets
LA County works to prevent future flood at the Devil's Gate Dam, the role of undocumented immigrants in the US economy, and high prices ahead for NFL teams tickets

LA County works to prevent future flood at the Devil's Gate Dam, the role of undocumented immigrants in the US economy, and high prices ahead for NFL teams tickets 

Fears arise over the state of the Devil's Gate Dam

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Fears arise over the state of the Devil's Gate Dam

Mandatory evacuations have been lifted for communities below the Oroville Dam in Northern California.

But the events in Oroville have people across the nation worried about the soundness of their dams, with LA County officials turning their attention to Devil’s Gate Dam, one the area’s largest flood control dams.

We talk with KPCC's infrastructure reporter, Sharon McNary, who's been looking into some problems with dams in our area.

Who are the undocumented? 5 things to know

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Who are the undocumented? 5 things to know

According to estimates out by Pew Research, L.A. and Orange Counties are home to over 1 million people living here illegally. Nationwide, the number is around 11 million.

But digging into the data yields some interesting facts, says James Hollifield. He directs the Tower Center at Southern Methodist University in Dallas and is a Global Fellow at the Woodrow Wilson International Center.

Five key points:



The undocumented population is actually going down across the nation. "We have seen a declining number of the undocumented and [one of the] reasons for this is that some people are actually returning, going home, especially a lot of Mexicans. We've seen a surge of people living in the United States in an unauthorized status going back home," said Hollifield. According to the Pew Research Center, the total undocumented population peaked at over 12 million back in 2007 and has since gone down by about a million.



The undocumented workforce reveals a gap in immigration policy. "The simple fact is that we have a tremendous juncture in terms of what we need for our economy and for what the law provides for in terms of the number of people that can come and work here legally," said Hollifield. "We need a lot of unskilled labor and that niche has been filled, not surprisingly, by unskilled immigrants, especially those coming from Mexico and Central America."



The right number of visas needed to fill that gap is still under debate. "There have been attempts to propose reforms that would allow us to adjust the number of visas based on the level of demand in different sectors of our labor market. One term that is often talked about is by having so-called 'market triggers' so that you can see when there's a surge in demand in a particular sector, whether it's construction, healthcare or any service industry, that you could allow the numbers to adjust so that you could allow more people to come in," said Hollifield. But, he added, the numbers behind that, and even the concept itself, is hotly contested.



A significant share of the undocumented population arrived legally to the U.S., but overstayed their visas. "Most of those coming from outside the Western Hemisphere are coming here on visas, perhaps tourist visas, and they are simply overstaying the visas. So you're going to see a much high concentration of non-Latino people in the unauthorized, or undocumented population, who are coming from Africa or Asia, in particular," said Holifield. A Department of Homeland Security report found that out of the 45 million people who have come by air and sea with legal visas, 482,781 individuals, or 1.07 percent, had overstayed in 2015. The country with the highest number? Canada.



Immigrants tend to lead to an overall gain for the economy, but in certain circumstances, they can affect wages for some workers. "They are increasing economic growth, economic activity, they become consumers so the multiplier effects alone of immigration often dwarf whatever effects they may have on depressing wages. But, in certain sectors, in certain areas, you will find those wage effects – especially where unskilled immigrants are competing with other unskilled immigrants," said Hollifield. One 2015 Harvard study, looking at the wages after Cuban migration in the early 1980s, found a drop of relative wages for some of the least educated workers in Miami.

If federal agents want to see your phone, what are your rights?

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If federal agents want to see your phone, what are your rights?

Let's say you're coming back from a trip overseas. But as you go through customs, you're stopped by federal agents.

They want to see into your phone, and they say you need to give them the code to unlock it.

If you don't, you won't be going anywhere.

That happened recently to Jet Propulsion Laboratory engineer and U.S. citizen Sidd Bikkinnavar when he was traveling back from Chile.

He shared his story on social media, and added that he felt like he had no choice but to comply.

What should you do if you're caught in a similar situation? And what are your rights?

Nathan Wessler, staff attorney at the Speech, Privacy, and Technology Project of the American Civil Liberties Union, shared some advice with Take Two.

What could be on a phone that customs agents would want to see?



There might be limited situations where we think it's legitimate to look into a person's phone with real basis to think they've engaged in illegal activity and evidence on it. Transporting child pornography images, for example.



But, for most of us, our phones and our laptops contain an incredible volume of private and sensitive information from years worth of emails to family photos, intimate discussions with a spouse or a partner, medical records, proprietary business information, government research, as in this case.

If customs agent ask for the passcode to my phone, can I legally refuse?



We believe that people are not legally compelled to turn it over.



Now, everyone needs to make a practical decision about what they want to do because there can be some ramifications.



We've heard numerous reports of border agents holding people in a secondary screening room for hours after they've refused to turn over a password. And we've seen reports over the years and recently of border agents seizing the phone or the laptop and shipping it off to a government facility where it might sit for weeks or months waiting for a forensic examiner to try to break into it.  

Is everything on my phone, including email and social media accounts, fair game for them to examine?



Yes, but in California, there are some protections that have been announced by the Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, a federal court that covers California and neighboring states.



In a case a few years ago, that court said when government agents want to conduct a forensic search of a phone or a laptop – meaning they download all the data off that phone and search through it with electronic search tools – they have to have reasonable suspicion of criminal wrongdoing.



They can't just do it based on a hunch or someone's national origin or religion. 

Is there difference in how border agents will treat me if I'm a US citizen or a foreigner visiting this country?



U.S. citizens are going to be let into the country. You may be delayed, you may be inconvenienced, you may be intimidated at the border, but you're going to get home.



Visa holders and other non-citizens have to consider whether there's a risk that if they don't comply with the request for their password, they may be turned away at the border.



For people in all of these situations – citizens or not – the best protection may be to limit what devices and how much data you're carrying with you.



If you don't have your normal phone, you just have a special travel-only phone without a lot of your personal data, that might be the safest way to avoid a government agent looking through it without good reason.

If I am detained by customs, do I have the right to ask for a lawyer?



If you are a U.S. citizen and the officers’ questions become intrusive, you have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions.



You should be aware that refusing to cooperate with officers may result in delay and/or further inspection.



If you are a lawful permanent resident, your right to talk to a lawyer depends on the circumstances.



If the officers’ questions become intrusive, you may ask to speak to a lawyer but, in some situations, officers have the authority to refuse to allow you to speak to a lawyer before you answer their questions.



If you are a non-citizen visa holder selected for further questioning, you may ask to talk to a lawyer but you generally do not have the right to consult a lawyer before answering the officers’ questions.



Importantly, for anyone attempting to enter the United States, if a customs officer or border agent informs you that you are under arrest, or if it becomes clear that he or she suspects you have committed a crime, you have the right to talk to a lawyer before answering any questions. 

Can I be held indefinitely until I give up the information on my phone?



We do not know what Customs and Border Protection’s policy is on length of detention. We would strongly argue that indefinite detention is unlawful.

Sports Round-up: High charges to see LA's newest team

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Sports Round-up: High charges to see LA's newest team

Sports entertainment in LA comes with a high price these days. That's going to get even more substantial once LA's newest football team settles in.

The average ticket to see the brand new Los Angeles Chargers will cost $192, the most expensive in the NFL.

One reason for that: they'll be playing in Carson's Stub Hub Center which only has 30,000 seats. Compare that to the 90,000 seat LA Coliseum where the Rams play and ticket prices average just over $100.

Those are face value prices - if you have to buy your tickets from a reseller like Stub Hub, you'll pay a good deal more.

But in two years, when both teams move to that new stadium in Inglewood, fans may be in for the biggest sticker shock of their lives.

To break down just how much it's going to cost to go to an NFL game in LA, Take Two's A Martinez spoke with Brian and Andy Kamenetzky.

To hear the full conversation, click the blue player above.

California schools incorporate environmental curriculum

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California schools incorporate environmental curriculum

After years of drought followed by overfilled dams, it feels like extreme weather is impacting our daily lives more and more.  

In many ways, California is a leader in environmental policy. Now, an initiative to develop a standard environmental curriculum for California schools is finally materializing in the classroom. 

For a deeper look into how environmental education is working its way into lesson plans across the state, Take Two's A Martinez spoke with Carolyn Jones. She's been writing about this for the online publication, EdSource.org.

"This is an effort statewide to get all kids in California, regardless of where they live, a really top-notch environmental education," said Jones.

California's goal is to encourage "environmental literacy." Jones defined that as "how humans impact the natural world and our own immediate environments. "That's everything from little kids learning to pick up trash, save water, and recycle, all the way up to 12th graders learning about the economics of global agriculture."

Interview Highlight



Kids will be getting environmental education not just in their science curriculum but also in their history curriculum, and social science, and English and math as well. They'll be getting it many different ways, all the way through the pipeline.



It's kind of built-in naturally with what they would be learning anyway in the classroom. For example, 4th graders in California all learn about the missions and the Gold Rush. So now, when they learn about the missions, they're also going to learn about bringing agriculture to California and what impact that's had. And how the Spanish didn't just bring missions, they brought invasive plants and the impact of that. And when they look at the Gold Rush, they're going to look at the impact of gold extraction. What happens when you put a bunch of silt in a river for example. And also what happens when you get these very rapidly growing new cities all of the sudden. In 12th grade, they'll be looking at economic issues, environmental justice, and public health and so forth. 

Quotes edited for clarity 

To hear the full interview, click on the blue Media Player above.