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Legality of rallies like Charlottesville, "Meet a Muslim" welcomes discussion, animals and the eclipse

CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA - AUGUST 13:  The statue of Confederat Gen. Robert E. Lee stands in the center of Emancipation Park the day after the Unite the Right rally devolved into violence August 13, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia. The Charlottesville City Council voted to remove the statue and change the name of the space from Lee Park to Emancipation Park, sparking protests from white nationalists, neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and members of the 'alt-right.'  (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
CHARLOTTESVILLE, VA - AUGUST 13: The statue of Confederat Gen. Robert E. Lee stands in the center of Emancipation Park the day after the Unite the Right rally devolved into violence August 13, 2017 in Charlottesville, Virginia. The Charlottesville City Council voted to remove the statue and change the name of the space from Lee Park to Emancipation Park, sparking protests from white nationalists, neo-Nazis, the Ku Klux Klan and members of the 'alt-right.' (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
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Whether officials can exclude events like the Charlottesville rally, Moina Shaiq answers questions about her faith, determining if animals act differently during eclipse.
Whether officials can exclude events like the Charlottesville rally, Moina Shaiq answers questions about her faith, determining if animals act differently during eclipse.

Whether officials can exclude events like the Charlottesville rally, Moina Shaiq answers questions about her faith, determining if animals act differently during eclipse.

In the history of racist violence in the US, Charlottesville may represent a breakthrough

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In the history of racist violence in the US, Charlottesville may represent a breakthrough

The nation is still coming to grips with events in Charlottesville, Virginia over the weekend, where a white nationalist rally protesting the removal of a statue of Confederate General Robert E. Lee turned deadly.

On Saturday, counter-protesters clashed in the streets with supporters of the "Unite the Right" rally, and a number of fights broke out in downtown Charlottesville. After Virginia's governor declared a state of emergency and police ordered crowds to disperse, a driver plowed his Dodge Challenger into a group of peaceful counter-protesters, killing one woman and injuring at least 19 others. Two state police troopers were also killed when their helicopter crashed outside of town.

The 20-year-old alleged driver of the car, James Alex Fields Jr. of Ohio, faces several charges, including second-degree murder. Fields' former teacher told The Washington Post that as teenager, Fields sympathized with Nazi beliefs and idolized Adolf Hitler.  

On Sunday, marchers took to the streets across the country, including in downtown Los Angeles, to protest the actions of white supremacists and neo-Nazis in Charlottesville. Republican and Democratic leaders alike denounced hate groups, echoing the sentiment, "this isn't who we are as Americans."

But the United States has experienced centuries of history of racially motivated violence.

It's a subject Walter Greason has taught students about for years. He's a professor of history at Monmouth University. Over the weekend, 

to some of the teaching materials he uses in courses on racist attacks, and the thread went viral.

Greason joined A Martinez on Monday to discuss the historical context for the violence in Charlottesville.

Americans generally know about some very dark chapters in our history involving racist violence – slavery, lynch mobs, and the Klan. What are some of the lesser-known events you highlight for students?



I normally start with the stories about how we responded to the Haitian revolution and then repressed attempted slave revolts in Louisiana, Virginia, and South Carolina. But then I move rapidly into the story of Cincinnati in 1829, where in Ohio, basically they decided they didn't want any black residents. This framed an ongoing pattern of rioting in the United States to expel African Americans from small towns.



[Recently] we've had more and more stories telling about the cases of violence used to displace African Americans neighborhoods and towns ... During the Civil War and after, these processes multiplied. You start to get increasing efforts. Really the worst period in terms of lynching in American history that goes on for the better part of 50 years culminates in the Red Summer of 1919 with dozens of riots across the country trying to disrupt and destroy black neighborhoods. And then the two famous ones that have been covered in the 1920s are the Rosewood, Florida massacre, and the Tulsa, Oklahoma destruction of Black Wall Street.



We've only started to come to grips with that story in the past couple decades.

When you see what happened over the weekend at the "Unite the Right" rally and subsequent attack, how does it fit in to the history of white supremacist violence in the U.S.? What's the same, and what's different today?



The scale is really the main thing. We hate and despise the violence that took the lives and injured so many people over this weekend. But this is a chance to stop it before it gets bigger. And that was really my main motivation in posting the material, so people can see what can happen if we remain silent, if we say this is only an isolated case.



This is a moment where there is a stronger, larger coalition of Americans to confront white supremacy than there's really ever been in the nation's history. You can look back to the coalition that started around Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. in the early 1960s, and that was the biggest at that point – much bigger than the groups that supported the elimination of slavery in the 1860s and early 1870s.



It's hard. It's dangerous work to stand up and put your life on the line for racial equality in the United States ... and that's the process. Having a committed group of people dedicated to racial equality, being able to move the majority of the population in a direction that doesn't tolerate neo-Nazism and the Ku Klux Klan.

In these situations, we look to our leaders. President Trump spoke on Saturday to reporters about the violence in Charlottesvile. 

He said, in part: "We condemn in the strongest possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides, on many sides."

He's been criticized for not coming down more strongly on white nationalism, specifically. What do you make of the response from political leaders so far?



I think there was a really groundbreaking moment this weekend with the Republican Senators' responses to hold the President accountable and to specifically take on white supremacy. President Trump hasn't had great success in identifying the people in his coalition that support neo-Nazism and white supremacy. The Republican party has struggled with that same question for 50 years. Strom Thurmond joined the Republican party [in 1964], and the White Citizens' Council and segregationists of the deep South, North and Midwest all turned to the Republican party in 1968 to support Richard Nixon.



The success and the real breakthrough moment for folks like Ted Cruz and Marco Rubio and John McCain, to come on board and say white supremacy is intolerable ... for Orrin Hatch, the Attorney General Jeff Sessions to come out and make these statements ... that's something that civil rights activists have been waiting for for generations. We haven't heard those kinds of comments in the last 50 or 60 years. How that turns into new policy is really the measure now. Does this actually not just move to symbolic commentary? Do we see the Republican party and conservatives in the movement generally embrace racial equality in a way that shapes policy at the local and state level? That to me is the real measure.

This interview has been edited for length and clarity. To hear the full conversation, please click on the blue media player.

After Charlottesville violence, where should we draw the line between a legal rally and an illegal one?

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After Charlottesville violence, where should we draw the line between a legal rally and an illegal one?

At what point does the First Amendment no longer apply? When does an assembly cross that line?

This is one of the biggest questions we face as we talk about violence and tragedy in Charlottesville:  our right to free speech. At what point does it conflict with the public good? 

According to Justin Levitt, professor at Loyola University Law School and formerly Assistant Attorney General of the Civil Rights Division in the Department of Justice, the line that protects our rights to free speech should be very hard to cross. 

"The argument for permitting it,  even when it's disgusting, is that you don't want the government deciding which speech is okay and which speech is not okay," said Levitt, in an interview with Take Two host A Martínez. "And that preventing people from speaking not only makes martyrs out of those who would speak, but can lead to some pretty horrible consequences. Even worse than the sort of intolerance and the sort of despicable neo-Nazi attitudes of some of those who are marching in Charlottesville."

To hear the full conversation between Martínez and Levitt, use the blue media player at the top of the page. 

'Meet a Muslim' program aims to 'change one heart at a time'

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'Meet a Muslim' program aims to 'change one heart at a time'

The rallies in Charlottesville this weekend have left people wondering how racial relations within communities can be improved.

Moina Shaiq has decided to confront the problem head-on.

She's founded a program called "Meet a Muslim" where she invites anyone to come meet her in person and discuss any questions they may have about her faith.



After San Bernardino, I decided this is it. We have to do something ... Whenever we hold events, it's the same faces all the time. I wanted to reach to those masses who do not come to these interfaith events. To draw them, I put some questions in my ad and also just [sent] a message that [they should] feel free to ask me any questions. But in the beginning, I do tell them I'm not a scholar; I'm a layperson. So I may not be able to answer your technical or in depth questions. But any ordinary question I will be able to answer. ​​

To hear the full conversation, click the blue player above.

On the Lot: Shonda splits for Netflix, why is Tom Cruise still doing his own stunts?

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On the Lot: Shonda splits for Netflix, why is Tom Cruise still doing his own stunts?

It's as if the Lakers signed Labron James.

TV uber-producer Shonda Rhimes shook Hollywood by announcing she's leaving her home at ABC for Netflix. Rhimes is the creator of hits such as Scandal and Grey's Anatomy, and she's been working with ABC for more than a decade. 

The Netflix poach comes at in interesting time. Just last week, Disney announced it would be creating its own streaming network, and pulling most of its content from Netflix, including hits from Pixar, Marvel and LucasFilm.

The loss is especially tough for Disney-owned ABC.  The studio sits at the top of the heap when it comes to feature films, but ABC is toiling in the TV ratings cellar.

Vanity Fair's Rebecca Keegan has the lowdown on Rhimes, and how it fits into the rapidly changing role network television is playing now, and may play in the future.

And she tells us Tom Cruise had a bit of a shake-up on the set of Mission Impossible 6. The 55-year-old actor insists on doing many of his own stunts. But TMZ published video of a stunt gone bad. Cruise can be seen limping after failing to make a jump (while supported by cables) and crashing into a wall.

Click on the blue bar to listen to the full interview with Vanity Fair's Rebecca Keegan.

African-Americans and dementia

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African-Americans and dementia

African-Americans suffer from Alzheimer’s disease and other forms of dementia at two to three times the rate of non-Hispanic whites, but at the same time - they are less likely to take part in research.

That's created a challenge for researchers hoping to get a better understanding how the disease affects this population.

We spoke to

, a a reporter for Kaiser Health News. We started our conversation by talking about two people she profiled, Levi and Dorothy Reeves, an African American couple dealing with dementia. 

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Levi suffers from a form of dementia called Lewy Body Dementia. Dorothy has been taking care of him for years, dressing and feeding him, but although she has not had a negative experience with a doctor, she was initially hesitant to donate Levi's brain to researchers so they could study the effects of the disease.

And that speaks to a bigger problem with understanding African Americans and Alzheimers and Demetia.

(click on the blue arrow to hear the entire interview)

Do animals act differently during an eclipse? Citizen science app aims to find out

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Do animals act differently during an eclipse? Citizen science app aims to find out

It's a week from today...the most eagerly awaited celestial event of the year: the total eclipse.

The last time one was visible across the entire contiguous United States was, not THAT long ago.... just over ONE HUNDRED YEARS!

People are getting dark glasses so they can safely look at the sun, figuring out if they can photograph the eclipse with their smart phones, planning parties and worried about a drop in solar power. 

But here's something you might not have thought about. WE know it's coming. But what about our animal friends? They don't. At least they haven't said anything about it. 

So, how will animals react?

There's a lot of anecdotal evidence that animals do act differently, but not a lot of scientific studies. 

Until now.

There's a project in the works that's relying on the average joe to record their observations in an effort to uncover whether animals do behave differently during this event. 

It's a part of the California Academy of Science in San Francisco's iNaturalistapp, a citizen science platform.

Elise Ricard is the public program's supervisor. She spoke with A Martinez about how the app works and what they're hoping to find out.

To listen to the full segment, click the blue play button above.