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AirTalk for February 19, 2014

WASHINGTON, DC - FEBRUARY 05:  House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) (C) debates as ranking member Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) (R) and Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) listens during a hearing in the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill February 5, 2014 in Washington, DC. Committee members questioned Congressional Budget Office Director Douglas Elmendorf about the latest projections by the CBO, which says the Affordable Care Act, or Obamacare, will affect supply and demand for labor, leading to a net reduction of about 2.5 million full-time jobs by 2024.  (Photo by Chip Somodevilla/Getty Images)
House Budget Committee Chairman Paul Ryan (R-WI) (C) debates as ranking member Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD) (R) and Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) listens during a hearing in the Cannon House Office Building on Capitol Hill February 5, 2014 in Washington, DC.
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A new report from the Congressional Budget Office indicates that raising the minimum wage would cause the loss of 500,000 jobs but would increase the earnings of approximately 16.5 million low wage workers. How might this impact workers? LAPD's Chief Charlie Beck joins Larry in-studio. What are your questions for Chief Beck? Later, should California be split into six states?
A new report from the Congressional Budget Office indicates that raising the minimum wage would cause the loss of 500,000 jobs but would increase the earnings of approximately 16.5 million low wage workers. How might this impact workers? LAPD's Chief Charlie Beck joins Larry in-studio. What are your questions for Chief Beck? Later, should California be split into six states?

A new report from the Congressional Budget Office indicates that raising the minimum wage would cause the loss of 500,000 jobs but would increase the earnings of approximately 16.5 million low wage workers. How might this impact workers? LAPD's Chief Charlie Beck joins Larry in-studio. What are your questions for Chief Beck? Later, should California be split into six states?

Wage hike would raise pay for 16.5M, but cut 500K jobs, says CBO

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Wage hike would raise pay for 16.5M, but cut 500K jobs, says CBO

A new report from the Congressional Budget Office says that increasing the national minimum wage to $10.10 would cause the loss of 500,000 jobs but would raise earnings for about 16.5 million low-wage workers. 

The report also states that 900,000 fewer people would live below the poverty line. President Obama and many Congressional Democrats argue that raising the minimum wage from $7.25/hour would reduce income inequality.

Critics say that the consequences of increasing the minimum wage, including unemployment, outweigh the benefits, and argue that focusing on creating jobs should be the top priority.

In its report, the CBO laid out two plans for raising the minimum wage, including a lower-impact solution that would bring hourly wages to $9 and hour. The President and Democrats support the $10.10/hour wage.

Does a higher minimum wage put an undue burden on job creators and business owners? How might workers be impacted by higher wages? How will consumers fare? 

Guests: 

David Neumark, Chancellor's Professor of Economics and Director, Center for Economics & Public Policy, Department of Economics, UC Irvine

David Cooper, Economic Analyst and minimum wage expert at the Economic Policy Institute (EPI)

LAPD Chief Beck on officer-involved shootings, California's concealed carry gun laws and marijuana enforcement

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LAPD Chief Beck on officer-involved shootings, California's concealed carry gun laws and marijuana enforcement

Los Angeles Police Department Chief Charlie Beck joined Larry Mantle Wednesday in-studio for AirTalk's monthly check-in.

Chief Beck spoke on potential changes to concealed weapon laws. He also touched on training required for officer-involved shootings and the enforcement of Los Angeles' marijuana ordinance.

Find excerpts from the interview below. The full discussion can be downloaded on the left. 

LARRY MANTLE: A three-judge panel, Ninth Circuit of Appeals ruled California's rules on concealed carry fire arms violates the constitution. If this decision holds, do you think that will be OK? 



CHIEF BECK: Well, I am not a proponent of having more guns on the street. I have seen far too much gun violence in my lifetime to think that more guns is a solution. So I think it is a bad law. I am supporting the city and the county's appeal. I think that this is a decision that should be made at the local level by local chiefs and local sheriffs who in their jurisdiction can carry a concealed weapon. You have to have rules, which we do. You know, it's not that we never approve a concealed carry permit; it's that we approve very, very few. 

LM: For a law abiding citizen who wants to use a gun for self-defense, what is the harm?



CB: I think that first of all, people have to acknowledge the absolute fact that a gun is more likely to be used against you than you use a gun in self-defense. I see very, very few instances where people successfully use weapons as a means of self-defense. States that have very liberal gun laws — states like Texas — have levels of violence that I think would be unacceptable here. Houston is a good example — biggest city in Texas, 2.1 million people, about half the size of Los Angeles — they suffered 231 murders last year and we did 251. 

LM: How many of those were committed by people who had a license to carry? 



CB: I have no idea BUT — what I'm talking about is gun violence. These are both gun violence driven statistics. 

LM: But you're conflating the two.



CB: I don't agree with that if you let me answer. The presence of guns ... which is what this is about, leads to a much more likely solution to things that normally would not and so places like Houston ... suffer much more gun violence than us we do because there are more guns.

LM: But how do we make that logical leap that simply having more guns is the cause of that?



CB: I think that especially in places like Texas where there are very few restrictions on carrying a weapon in your car or on your person, you can clearly draw the much ... higher presence of fire arms and the higher presence of fire arms and just by extrapolation leads to more use of fire arms and that's what's happened. 

LM: But let's look at Utah where you have higher per capita ownership of fire arms than say Los Angeles and you have a lower violent crime rate so if that's the measure you are going to use, wouldn't it have to hold up outside of places like Texas? 



CB: No, you have to use urban communities.  You can't use rural populations. You have to compare apples to apples. So if you want to compare Los Angeles to small towns in Utah, there's no comparison. There's just no way to compare what goes on here. Now, if you want to compare a bigger city like Chicago or like Houston or New York City — something that has a more comparable population — then we can have a discussion. If you're just going to compare the whole state of Utah, it doesn't have the crime issues that the state of Los Angeles does nor the population. 



You talk about Chicago, that place has historically had among the toughest anti-gun laws in terms of major American cities and has the highest per capita gun crime rate. 



They do and I think if you were to talk to Gary McCarthy — which I have — on this exact topic, he will tell you that their gun laws are not strong enough and that their gun laws are not as strong as the gun laws in California. 

LM: The L.A. Police Commission voted to formalize the use of holistic review of officer involved shootings, not just what happened when the firing actually took place. Is this going to make a substantive difference in how officer involved shootings are reviewed? 



CB: No, not really Larry. We've always looked at the tactics involved in a shooting; we've always looked at the dry and exhibiting of a fire arm shooting and we've also looked at the actual instances of shooting. This just combines a portion of two of the categories and in the past, both of those categories have had policy findings and those policy findings could lead to discipline or termination of an employee so this really doesn't change that. What it does do, is that it allows the commission to do what it has done on ... several prior occasions and to use bad tactics to find a shooting policy. This is very rare. This is maybe less than half of 1 percent of officer involved shootings. 
 

LM: You had the review of the eight officers during the Dorner man hunt that fired on the newspaper deliverers. There, the officers can return to their job. What type of training will they be getting. What kind of errors in training led to the serious injuries one of the two women suffered?



CB: First of all, I have to be very general about this. It is absolutely against the law for me to talk about specific discipline for a police officer relative to a use of force so I'm not going to talk specifically to what's going to happen to any of these officers. 



... What I will say is that in every instance where an officer uses force, we specify training. And that training is very specific to the instances of the officer's use of force and any use of force that is judged to be out of policy and has training that attaches to it ... is going to be very extensive and require not only that the training be completed but that the testing occur along the way.... In a general discussion, that would have to happen before anyone went back to the field. 

LM: Will this incident have an impact on future training? 



CB: Well, we will certainly have a discussion on roles in policing that we normally don't have. You know the use of protection details is very rare in the reality of policing in Los Angeles. But it was very, very common during the incident that we were discussing. 



So we are going to have to have a general training overview of that so people understand what the purpose is. Normally and in any other circumstance, we use one of our specialized divisions to provide that kind of security for whoever may need it, including police officers. 



This was one of those incidents that was totally unforeseen where we had so many protectees that we couldn't possibly use a finite resource like specialized divisions to do that so we had to go into the greater workforce and so we are going to prepare our greater workforce to be able to accommodate that if it should ever happen again. 

LM: Where do things stand with the enforcement of  the marijuana ordinance in the city? Is your department engaging in any enforcement actions against those dispensaries that are open? 



CB: Well, we are working with the city attorney and the city council to review the applications for permanent status as marijuana collectives in the city of Los Angeles. There's about 120 people that have applied for that permanent status; we are doing not only reviews of those, but we're also doing enforcement on some of the locations that are not in application. You know, the city attorney is being very thoughtful about his response to the legislation on this and we are moving forward at a very thoughtful pace. ... 

LM: Under what interpretation of the law is the city acting for enforcement purposes? 



CB: We're still operating under the law, which is that collectives — which is a group of people that come to together to provide each other product — can do that if they do that in a specified manner, time and place. Our review of the ordinance supports that. 

LM: Let's talk about the size of the department. Los Angeles has historically been per capita under-policed. 



CB: We're in the middle of our budget discussions with the city, Larry. ... Our goal is to maintain the size of the Los Angeles Police Department. We are about 100 officers below our authorized strength right now — that's sounds like a lot, but it's less than 1 percent of the force so it's a manageable number. We continue to hire. 
 

Guest:

Charlie Beck, Chief of Los Angeles Police Department

Does expanding Covered California to cover undocumented immigrants make economic sense?

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Does expanding Covered California to cover undocumented immigrants make economic sense?

California State Senator Ricardo Lara (D-Bell Gardens) has introduced a bill to give undocumented immigrants in the state access to free or subsidized healthcare.

Undocumented Californians currently do not qualified for Medi-Cal, or health insurance coverage under Covered California, the state-run health exchanged launched under the Affordable Care Act.

Senate Bill 1005, or the Health For All Act, would set up a separate health marketplace under Covered California to sell insurance plans to undocumented immigrants who don’t qualify for Medi-Cal. The bill would also expand Medi-Cal so that undocumented immigrants who make under 138 percent of the poverty level -- about $32,000 a year for a family of four -- could receive that benefit.

There are an estimated 2 to 2.5 million undocumented immigrants in California, an estimated 1 million of them are uninsured. No word yet on how the bill would be funded; Lara said his office is working to come up with how much the proposal would cost taxpayers. Proponents of the proposal say the bill would save the state on healthcare costs in the long run.

Guests: 

Ricardo Lara, California State Senator (D-Bell Gardens) representing the 33rd District, which includes South Gate, Huntington Park, Vernon and Long Beach. He introduced Senate Bill 1005

Michael Cannon, director of health policy studies at the Cato Institute. He is a former domestic policy analyst for the U.S. Senate Republican Policy Committee, where he advised the Senate leadership on health, education, labor and other issues

Nadereh Pourat, Director of Research Planning at the UCLA Center for Health Policy Research and a health policy professor at the school. She has done studies on the health care utilization rate of the undocumented population in California

Should California be divided into 6 states? (Poll)

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Should California be divided into 6 states? (Poll)

Silicon Valley venture capitalist Tim Draper certainly thinks so — his plan to divide California into six new states gathered new momentum this week after Draper received permission from California Secretary of State Debra Bowen to begin collecting petition signatures for his measure.

Draper has 150 days to collect signatures from 807,615 registered voters in order to qualify the six-state initiative for the ballot. The new Californias would be broken up by region -- Santa Barbara, Los Angeles, and Long Beach would be West California and Silicon Valley would be its own state.

The new divisions would make for an interesting breakdown of resources and wealth. Central California would be home to almost all of the food, prisons, and the lowest-income households. Silicon Valley would become the richest state in the country, as well as a major water importer.

Could splitting California into six states be a viable plan? How would it work? Could each state reasonably function as an independent entity? Can’t we all just get along?

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KPCC's online polls are not scientific surveys of local or national opinion. Rather, they are designed as a way for our audience members to engage with each other and share their views. Let us know what you think on our Facebook page, facebook.com/kpcc, or in the comments below.

Guest: 

Tim Draper,  Founding Partner of Draper Fisher Jurvetson, a venture capital firm based in Silicon Valley.  He is behind the 'Six Californias' ballot measure 

Greg Baumann, Editor in Chief of the Silicon Valley Business Journal

Joe Moore, Editor, Valley Public Radio in Fresno

Katie Orr, State Government Reporter for Capital Public Radio in Sacramento

Bianca Barragan, Associate Editor of Curbed LA

Official Proposal:

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Should art come before politics? Gustavo Dudamel faces criticism for Venezuela concerts

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Should art come before politics? Gustavo Dudamel faces criticism for Venezuela concerts

The Venezuelan-born musical director of the LA Philharmonic has stepped back into LA amid criticism of a concert he held in the capital Caracas only blocks away from where a student was killed during violent protests.

The situation in Venezuela has since escalated and opposition leader Leopoldo Lopez turned himself into authorities on Tuesday.

Dudamel defended his appearance,  where he led a government-funded youth ensemble in a commemorative concert, as representing "the values of Peace, Love and Unity."

Dudamel has not explicitly supported Venezuela's embattled leader Nicolas Maduro but critics argue that he should be using his high profile status to speak out against the president. Venezuelan-American pianist Gabriela Montero spoke out against Dudamel's decision to not speak out against Maduro in a public letter she posted this week on Facebook. 

Should Dudamel have used his high profile status to speak out against the government? Do artists have a duty to weigh in on political matters? Is this incident different from other high profile musicians who have performed for questionable world leaders?\

Guest: 

Juan Forero, South America bureau chief for the Wall Street Journal

Gabriela Montero, Venezuelan-American pianist