Megan Tan 0:00
[shuffling cards] So, let's see. Is there anything big happening in your life right now?
Kyle Chang 0:08
I think a lot of like, I got a new job and a new city. So, I think there's that.
Megan Tan 0:15
Yeah! That huge!
Kyle Chang 0:16
That's huge. Yeah.
Megan Tan 0:17
Was that ex-- W- Is that something that you expected?
Kyle Chang 0:21
Um, yeah. So I've been trying to move to LA, or, or I haven't s-, not like trying, trying, but [fade under]
Megan Tan 0:30
I'm sitting across from Kyle Chang, before he possibly sees his future. Kidding! We don't really have that kind of power. [laughs]
Megan Tan 0:45
All right, whoa. You can tell this is a new deck. Look at all these cards. [laughs] All right. [theme music] What does it say?
Kyle Chang 0:53
Confidence. [Megan: Mmm!] Wow. In this moment, I take a step back and look at myself with the pride of a good mother. I see an abundance of abilities and talents that show up all the time in big and little ways. If I could stick myself on a refrigerator- I would. [laughs]
Megan Tan 1:18
[laughs] I know they're a little corny towards the end.
Kyle Chang 1:20
I would invite all the neighbors over and say look at that. Can you believe what an A plus that is? [Megan laughs] Wow!
Megan Tan 1:28
That's a good card!
Kyle Chang 1:29
I love the illustration.
Megan Tan 1:31
That's yours to keep!
Kyle Chang 1:32
Megan Tan 1:33
Yeah! For your new chapter, new life.
Megan Tan 1:33
On this episode of Snooze, I sit down with the great Margaret Cho, a stand-up comedian, writer, singer. She's a real Renaissance woman. And she tells me what it's like to go to a high school similar to the one in the HBO drama Euphoria, and what she tells herself when the pressure feels overwhelming.
Megan Tan 2:08
You're listening to Snooze, a show about things people put off, how they conquer them, but more importantly, how they conquer themselves. I'm Megan Tan. Let's go! [music out] [cards shuffling]
Megan Tan 2:37
Are you recording on your end?
Margaret Cho 2:39
Oh, I'm not. I can be.
Megan Tan 2:40
Margaret Cho 2:41
Just a second.
Megan Tan 2:42
Megan Tan 2:43
I know you have a podcast too.
Margaret Cho 2:45
Megan Tan 2:45
Yeah! And uh, and you're also on Atsuko Okatsuka's podcast who-
Margaret Cho 2:49
Yeah, I love her.
Megan Tan 2:51
Yeah, she was on um- She's been on Snooze as well.
Margaret Cho 2:54
Yeah, she's great.
Megan Tan 2:56
It's funny, because this is my first time speaking with legendary Margaret Cho, but she already feels somewhat familiar. Not because we both know Atsuko, but because she's been a pioneer for decades.
Margaret Cho 3:12
[comedy clip] [applause and cheers] Thank you so much. Thank you. Bonjour, merci. Je t'aime. I, I just have to say hi to the Asian people, he- [silence] [laughter]
Megan Tan 3:28
And also, we're putting off the same thing.
Margaret Cho 3:30
I actually keep putting off doing the drop challenge and it's because I um, can't figure out how to edit it on TikTok which is like- I... [laughs] It's so dumb! I'm sure-
Megan Tan 3:30
No, I get it!
Margaret Cho 3:34
Because I want to do it right. Also, I have a hard time um, because I don't have like a selfie stick? And then so like anything I do like full body on TikTok is really hard because I have to figure out how to like angle my phone onto something. So [Megan: Mmm hmm.] I'm putting off getting a selfie stick and putting off um, doing the drop challenge, I'm putting off learning anything on TikTok besides what I already know. I barely know anything, but uh, I love it.
Megan Tan 4:18
I just got on- I, I'm not even on TikTok but I wanted to do the ch- I wanted to do the thing where like people bounce, and they like change their clothes, you know?
Margaret Cho 4:28
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah! Yeah. Yeah. Like a 'Buss It', like a 'Buss It' challenge. Yeah.
Megan Tan 4:31
Yeah, I don't ev-, I don't even- I'm like the worst millennial.
Megan Tan 4:36
But enough about TikTok. I want you to get to know a creator [music] who has made the world laugh for years.
Kyle Chang 4:48
[break music] Snooze will be back after this break.
Kyle Chang 5:03
[break music] Now back to the show.
Megan Tan 5:10
If you went to a party, and you didn't know anybody, uh and you would go up to some people to introduce yourself, what would you say?
Margaret Cho 5:18
Hi, I'm Margaret. How are you? [laughs]
Megan Tan 5:21
Lucky person at the party, huh? [laughs] Because Margaret is just not any Margaret. Margaret Cho got her start in TV with her very own show, All-American Girl...
Margaret Cho 5:35
[All-American Girl clip] No, I will not go to the Rialto. Well, for one thing, they don't carry the large size Good n Plenty. And for another, their floors are always sticky. And I don't even know why it's sticky, it's like tar or something. And so... [whispers] I got gum.
Megan Tan 5:51
And has performed on big shows like The Masked Singer. [The Masked Singer clip: Margaret sings Heartbreaker by Pat Benatar]
Megan Tan 6:08
You started comedy at [Margaret: Yes.] such a young age, you know. You tell- I mean, you told your mom at 14 [Margaret: Yeah.] that you wanted to be a comedian. And th-, and then you won this challenge where you opened [Margaret: Yeah.] for Jerry [Margaret: Yes.] Seinfeld. And, and, and then you moved to LA, and in your 20s, um, I was reading that it's like in, in a two year period, you had booked over 300 concerts.
Margaret Cho 6:35
It was really weird, because uh, I think I was lucky in that I was right in the middle of a comedy boom. And then jumping on it was really um, [Megan: Mmm.] important, because then it really gave me a lot of leverage. But I didn't have enough life experience to really fully understand what being a comedian was. So it took me like, to this this, all this time to kind of catch up on that. So, I'm better now um, as [Megan: Mmm.] a comedian uh, than I was then. But what was good then is that I um, I never hit snooze when I was young, because I, I just was so driven to have it now. Like I want to be an adult- now. I want to have my own house- now. I want to have my own TV show- now. And it was like before social media, so you didn't have a sense of accomplishing things on your own. You needed other entities to accomplish that for you. So whether that was um, doing clubs and and universities and theaters, whether that was going and being part of a network and doing television, it was really different. And so I think um, a lot of the drive that I had was tied to needing much more of larger entities to give me that space, as opposed to now where we can satisfy some of those urges with um, social media platforms, um which are uh, definitely a way that people make strides nowadays. So it's, it's all changed. But the um, impetus that I had was really important in the beginning for me.
Megan Tan 8:23
But I mean, like that is, is big, you know. Like all of those shows, at that age is big for any young person, and really any any person, eh just living, [Margaret: Yeah] [Megan laughs] you know. And so I wanted to know, like, was there a phrase or something you would tell yourself before, you know, you got on stage?
Margaret Cho 8:44
I think it was more just a feeling of like, this is gonna be great, this is gonna be great. This is gonna be great. And it was like, trying to hype myself up for it. And it was kind of the same of like- [Megan: Mmm.] I used to play piano when I was really little, and I would do a lot of piano concerts. And it was so terrifying. I had such debilitating stage fright that would like, come as like ice in my fingers, like I couldn't move my hands. And you're playing like these, like kind of classical pieces that everybody knows. [Megan: Mmm.] So you cannot make a mistake. It's not like jazz. It's not like we're doing [laughs] you know, Thelonious Monk. It's not like you could improv anything. You have to like stay on the uh, entire phrase of music. It was just so impossible. And-
Megan Tan 9:40
What was one of the songs?
Margaret Cho 9:41
Just like um, you know, Fur Elise is a classic, [Megan: Mmm hmm.] or uh, Moonlight Sonata, all of the Beethovens. [Megan: Mmm hmm.] [Margaret laughs] All of the Mozarts. It's so scary. So you just go, y- you have to go, it's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. It's gonna be fine. I'll live.
Megan Tan 10:01
[writing sounds] It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fine. I'll live. [laughs]
Margaret Cho 10:12
And you do, and no matter how great it goes, or how bad it goes, you're still alive at the end. [Megan: Mmm.] Hopefully.
Megan Tan 10:20
Do you remember the first time you said that to yourself?
Margaret Cho 10:22
I think it was when I was playing. [Megan: Mmm.] Um,
Megan Tan 10:26
How old were you?
Margaret Cho 10:27
Probably seven, or eight. And uh, it really felt like a firing squad. I mean, as much as a seven- or eight-year-old could feel like they're in front of a firing squad. But that's like, a kind of doom and gloom that I was really used to. [Megan: Mmm hmm.] I tend to catastrophize things like, whatever it is in my life, like, I always like worry about it so much that it becomes a catastrophe, so that I can almost like, [Megan: Mmm.] pre-feel the bad feelings [Megan: Mmm.] before I possibly feel 'em. No matter what it is, any kind of occurrence in my life, like I approach with a dread, even if it's good, because there's a kind of mechanism on my brain that always goes to this is going to be terrible. And so that's like, my whole life is trying to lift up out of that. Um, because it's like, what's the point of pre-feeling emotions before you even get to them? I, I think that's like kind of been the main focus of like, my own healing in j- my healing journey in life is trying to get out from under this idea that worrying is going to be somehow beneficial, that worrying is the same as meditation. And it's not.
Megan Tan 11:38
Yeah, worrying is definitely not like meditation. Meditation is supposed to make you relax, and not worry about things that haven't happened yet. So I wanted to let Margaret know, what's kind of helped me remain calm.
Megan Tan 11:56
I've been taught like, as a kid, from my mom um, because I'm, I'm Buddhist. And so uh, it's always about like, causes, you know, like, [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] the causes that you make? And so you almost have to, like change your brain to to, like, make uh positive causes, in order for your environment to start to reflect them, you know. [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] So like, [Margaret: Mmm Hmm.] what you're saying, you know, essentially, when you're seven years old is like, you're creating your reality, you know, like, with your brain!
Margaret Cho 12:25
Yeah, we're always creating a reality, even though the world seems to be in sort of a terrible situation, of course, now- um, still, with everything going on, but I have to rely on um, my own like, mental and spiritual peace as being the main source of my guidance as opposed to catastrophizing, because it's like, you can't, you can't change what's outside of it, you can change what's inside, so you can change how you're going to feel about, [Megan: Right. Yeah.] which is all- all of that for me, like, my family is half Buddhist and half super [Megan: Mmm.] Christian. So we're like, kind of approach things in a in a sort of a backwards way, because I think that Christianity sort of drew us back, whereas the Buddhism was always [Megan: Mmm.] forward. So it's just about like, trying to find that forward thinking piece.
Megan Tan 13:23
Well, and so in relation to forward thinking, you know, just like, looking at your life is so expansive, you know. You're like a singer [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] and a writer and a comedian, and an actress and a businesswoman, you know. It just doesn't feel like you have, like the ceiling of your perceptions of what you can achieve. You know, it feels like you would just blow the top off of them, you know, every single time. [laughs] [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] Um, and so I'm curious uh, if there's a phrase or something that you tell yourself that allows you to, like launch into all of these different avenues that maybe you hadn't been in before, experienced before?
Margaret Cho 14:09
Well, I remember what a teacher-- I had a teacher who was um, really influential, and um, she would sign me up for comedy shows when I was really young.
Megan Tan 14:18
Oh, w- what's, what's their name?
Margaret Cho 14:20
Her name is Elizabeth Shapiro. And she um, is a really amazing teacher, but she would just always say, oh, Margaret can do ev- everything. You can do everything, and you can do anything.
Megan Tan 14:32
[writing sounds] You can do everything. You can do anything.
Megan Tan 14:40
Oh! Teachers-- they do not get enough credit. My mom's a retired teacher. And actually, the majority of my family on my mom's side were all teachers. And she always encouraged me to follow through with my goals. Even when, like Margaret, these goals involved putting myself out there for the whole world to hear and see me.
Margaret Cho 15:09
And that always stuck with my brain and my heart. And so she taught me, and she put me and Sam Rockwell together in a comedy team, and put us on stage at a comedy club locally, [laughs] as she told us what, oh, you both can do anything, you could do everything and anything. And then so you know, he's gone on to win Oscars and be this [Megan: Oh my god, I have chills.] incredible actor. And he can actually do anything and everything. And, and I feel the same, like, so, you know, when our cement is wet, we really can be impressionable, and my cement was really wet. And she just put that imprint, you can do anything, you can do everything on me very early on. And it, it's true. So I think it's about, you know, encouraging, that we don't have limits, except for the ones that we impose on ourselves.
Megan Tan 15:55
What, so when you say your cement was really wet at that time, like what what was happening?
Margaret Cho 16:02
I was just uh, like, 14. I was totally open to anything that could happen in my life. You know, that I uh, wasn't doing great in school. I'm not, I wasn't really particularly happy as a teenager. And I didn't want to be a kid anymore. And so that gave me the sort of drive to want to seek out what my life was going to be early on.
Megan Tan 16:28
And how did you get connected to um, Miss Shapiro?
Margaret Cho 16:33
She was a theater teacher at my school.
Megan Tan 16:35
Margaret Cho 16:36
So [laughs] it was very like-
Megan Tan 16:38
Your, your public high school, or?
Margaret Cho 16:40
High school, yeah, [Megan: What?!?] my public high school. It was a school of the arts.
Megan Tan 16:43
Yeah! I also went to art high school. [laughs]
Margaret Cho 16:45
Yeah! So it's very like possible for her to sort of push me out into this world of learning and um, going out and doing comedy. There's videos of us actually on um, YouTube of me and Sam doing comedy stuff. Uh, and Aisha Tyler was in our class too.
Margaret Cho 17:07
[80s high school clip] Speaker: Sam and Margaret are really close friends of mine. They're both real cool and talented. Their suggestion from the audience that they're two ex-lovers meeting again, by accident on an ocean liner. Sam: Well, how about that? Margaret: Are you sure? Sam: Hey, you got a, you got a, an ethnic change, didn't you? Margaret: Yeah! Sam: You're Chinese now! Margaret: screaming indecipherable words. Speaker: Most of this was unfit for mature audiences, but it was pretty right on for us.... Wow! You know I got one hanging off my... [beep] My God! Yeah. Snick, just snacky wacky. [laughter] You remembered! Yeah. Hey, how about this? Yeah... [duck under]
Margaret Cho 17:50
So, it's a whole like YouTube thing about like, it was a, it was a special that was on local television, in the 80s, that um actually uh, is is still out there. So, it it's it's part of the [Megan: Wow.] ethos now. It's part of the world.
Megan Tan 18:05
That's so beautiful how teachers can can do that for young people at that age, you know? [Margaret: Yeah.] Yeah. Um, why do you feel like that has resonated with you up and you know, like, that's what you remember.
Margaret Cho 18:21
I think because I'm still that age in my heart. Like I'm really still a kid in a lot of ways. And then, there's a lot of uh, childlike wonder that I have around the world in my life. Um, but there's also like the, the sort of, in- interwoven with childhood ideas of how to cope, which is constant worry, and constant catastrophizing. So in a lot of ways I haven't grown up. The grown up side of me is always going to try to embrace peace and meditation [music] over worry. [Megan: Mmm.] So that's um, the goal is to fully grow into that without losing the the childlike wonder of life.
Kyle Chang 19:10
[break music] Snooze will be back after this break.
Kyle Chang 19:26
[break music] Now, back to the show.
Margaret Cho 19:35
Most of your day would be in your particular uh, area of study. So some people would go to dance, other people would go to music, other people would go to visual arts, and we would go to theater. And and so we had our theater class, and um, you know, it's funny like whenever I watch the television show Euphoria, [Megan: Mmm.] it's so similar to- uh, except I'm Jules and then my best friend is Roo, who unfortunately, passed away. Not Roo, but the woman that was, became Roo in my mind. And when I watch the show, I'm like, oh my god, it's my friend. But um, so we would all go to class, and um, you know, we just uh would do like uh, improv games and theater games, like dorky, improv games just so silly, but actually are helpful in helping you think on your feet. And we would do um, these different plays. And then sometimes we would put on plays for the school. Um, and so that there would be like, we'd put on these like little like mini festivals-- I ended up spending like more time at school through these theater programs than I would if I was just a student. [Megan: Mmm.] But um, it sort of made me realize, oh, this is what I want to do with my life. So theater is very familiar to me. And then I, on the summer, I would go to theater camps um, at San Francisco State. And we would actually live on campus, [Megan: Oh, wow!] and um, [Megan: Yeah.] which is kind of very adult, but I was also doing stand-up comedy too. And um, so there was a lot of different stuff going on where it was um, involving me more in this life of doing theater. And being an artist, and Elizabeth Shapiro who was very, like, much an art forward kind of person, like it was always art forward and art first. And that was really [Megan: Mmm.] meaningful um, to be in school, but still be doing what you want to do is really quite incredible. So I think that's really what the entire um, world was, is that Elizabeth was always very encouraging of my work and my life to be art [Megan: Mmm!] forward.
Megan Tan 22:02
I love that. Art forward. Yeah, that makes sense. Like, you know, when I kind of Google zoom out and look at your life, it's like, it is very art forward, you know.
Margaret Cho 22:14
Yeah, whatever it is, you know, even if it's something like um, uh one of the last art forward things that my friend Jerry and I did, the one who reminded me of Roo, who passed away, she and I would go and um when Robin Williams died, we went out on the street, and we raised money for the unhoused. And it was a very, like, crazy thing where the spectacle we would go out on the street with all these like musical instruments and play and do comedy and sing and we would steal electricity from the buildings [laughs] around, like where we could, and we would just plug in amps and just go and like, it it was this huge, crazy, very San Francisco thing to do. But it was a way to sort of look at um, somebody that we loved, who was Robin Williams, and look at somebody, you know, he helped uh, a lot of the unhoused. And with comic relief, which was a major focus in the 80s. [Megan: Mmm. Mmm hmm.] And um, so we thought, Oh, we're gonna do this. And it was so like, not career oriented. It was so like, art forward. But that's what was so special about it. And I think um, you know, that's one of the greatest memories of her that I have. Um, and Elizabeth would come to those too. It's so funny to see us all adult-
Megan Tan 23:36
And she would cheer you on?
Margaret Cho 23:37
Yeah, she would- [laughs] She would be-
Megan Tan 23:38
You know what I mean? You guys are doing-- [laughs]
Margaret Cho 23:39
Still there, you know, and, and so it's such a strange um, [Megan: I love that.] thing to think about. But, um, you know, there's um, there's a lot of like art forward life experiences that I still try to cultivate. And so it's just basically being about an art forward person.
Megan Tan 23:58
Mmm. And what would you say is a phrase, you know, that you tell yourself now, um whenever things get challenging?
Margaret Cho 24:09
Joan Rivers would always tell me too, like, they're always gonna want you.
Megan Tan 24:12
[writing sounds] They're always going to want you.
Margaret Cho 24:18
Like, it's not like you're um, you're gonna lose value as you get older. It's going to be more, more, more like as you get older, you'll get more of what you want, and more people will want to hear from you and more people will want to hire you and you'll get more more out of life. And I think that's really been true.
Megan Tan 24:37
Can you tell me the story about how she gave you that phrase?
Margaret Cho 24:42
Um, I think it was really just a constant thing that she would always say. They're gonna want you when you're older, they're gonna want you more, like it's like, she would always be mostly talking about herself. And um, she was always very encouraging about aging into who we're meant to be and also enjoying age. It's not like a um, sort of thing that I remember in that it sort of crystallized in a memory so much as it was her attitude towards life. Like, every time I asked her to do something, she would always be up for it. And um, you know, workwise, or I would get to go to her shows, or we would go to events um, gay pride, places, um different things. And so, you know, she was very uh, I don't know, she was very enthusiastic about hanging out and doing stuff. And so she was great.
Megan Tan 25:35
Mmm. That's so beautiful, Margaret. I love that so much. You know, I have a sister who's 10 years older than me, so I feel like I'm constantly looking at life like 10 years before my time, but also learning from people who are, you know, much older and have gone through life. I just think it's so beautiful, you know.
Margaret Cho 25:54
Megan Tan 25:55
As I'm hearing all of these stories, and encouraging phrases Margaret is giving us, I want to ask her about something very specific. As someone who's been in the entertainment industry, since she was 14 years old, I feel like she's the perfect person to ask.
Megan Tan 26:15
I don't know about you, but sometimes I feel like, okay, I'm gonna, you know, I'm gonna do this show. And I, I trick in my mind. I'm like, oh, life is gonna be put on pause, like, you know, like, I'm going to go into production, life is going to be put on pause. Um but of course, life is never put on pause. [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] And I'm curious for yourself, someone who's like, you know, really, like, grew up, you know, in, in this industry, um, and life was never put on pause for you. Uh, and when I say life, I guess, to be more specific for me. So um, my, my, like, people in my family are going through health issues. And next week, I'm actually gonna be, going to be like a 24-hour um, caretaker for one of my family members. And uh, and I'm also going to be working, you know, [laughs] and so I'm like, whoa, this is life, [Margaret: Mmm hmm.] right? Um and so I'm curious for you, like, what do you tell yourself to continue to show up to the things that you want, um despite all sorts of derailments that are bound to happen?
Margaret Cho 27:23
Well, I think that's just part of it, you know, you accept every experience as part- I mean, the only control that we have over anything is how we're going to feel about it, and our attitude towards it. So it's better to just have acceptance around whatever's going on. And know that it's the right thing. And it's fine, you know, as opposed to regret, or dread. It's best to just sort of embrace whatever it is, head on, you know uh, like, the only way out is through, which is constantly the truth of it all. The only way out is through and so you just go through.
Megan Tan 28:02
[writing sounds] The only way out, is through.
Margaret Cho 28:09
And it's always fine. It's weird, because it's always fine. Even though it's terrible, it's always fine. Even though it's great, it's always fine. So it's good.
Megan Tan 28:17
Yeah, I like that. Yeah, that's what I was telling my dad actually, who's the one who's um, [Margaret: Yeah.] experiencing health issues. I'm like, I'm like, the only way out is through. You got to just [laughing] go through! Go [Margaret: Yeah.] through! Go, go [Margaret: Yeah.] through. Stop avoiding things. [laughs] You know? [Margaret: Yeah.] Yeah. Um, so as someone who's been in comedy for more than 30 years, you know, and, you kn- are constantly like booking sold out shows and- I wanted to know, like, how do you stay fresh?
Margaret Cho 28:46
I think it's just about paying attention or paying attention to life and the way it is and what's happening and you just see it all as it comes. And um, you know, that's really all that it is. It's just like being present, [Megan: Mmm.] which I think it always relates back to, like- Buddhist ideology is staying present, staying in the moment, and then you'll be ready for it.
Megan Tan 29:11
Mmm. How do you like, continue to, you know, because I feel like it's such a daily practice to be present. [laughs]
Margaret Cho 29:18
It's hard! [Megan: It is hard, right?] It's really hard. [Megan: It is hard.] [Megan laughs] It's really hard. But that's why it's, that's why it's a practice is that we don't always get it perfect, but we get to practice.
Megan Tan 29:28
Mmm. Oh, I love that too. You got so many phrases, you know?
Margaret Cho 29:33
Oh good! [Megan laughs 'Love it.'] Yes.
Megan Tan 29:35
Love it. Um, thank you so much for coming on to the show. If it's okay with you, I would love to take a commemorative photo.
Margaret Cho 29:42
Let's do it.
Megan Tan 29:42
Is that cool? Okay.
Margaret Cho 29:46
Megan Tan 29:46
All right. What are we gonna say? Uh, drop, uh drop challenge soon! [laughs] [Margaret: Drop challenge!] To do! [laughs] Love it! All right. I'll see you on the other side of TikTok! [laughs]
Margaret Cho 29:58
Yay! Thank you!
Megan Tan 30:00
Have a good day! Thank you so much.
Margaret Cho 30:01
Megan Tan 30:02
Margaret Cho 30:02
You too. Bye.
Megan Tan 30:03
[sound of an airplane] [theme music] Three days after my conversation with Margaret, I'm on a plane with a one-way ticket to my hometown. I'm going to support my family. My 75-year-old father recently fell and is in recovery. I'll be by his side, waking him up every morning, making him breakfast, lunch and dinner, and making sure he takes his medication. And also, that he smiles a few times a day. I'm not really sure what these next few weeks will look like, but I know what to watch if both of us need a laugh.
Margaret Cho 30:56
[clip from All-American Girl] No, I will not go to the Rialto. Well, for one thing... [duck under]
Megan Tan 31:00
A fearless woman, who has pushed herself to do scary things her whole life. [writing sounds] It's gonna be great. It's gonna be fine. I'll live. Who lives and goes through the world without a ceiling. [writing sounds] You can do everything. You can do anything. And who has taught me to embrace the parts of life we can't predict. [writing sounds] The only way out is through. [music out]
Erick Galindo 31:39
[credits music] If you have something that you've been putting off, call us. 323-591-8159. That's 323-591-8159. Leave us a message. And you could be on an episode of Snooze. Don't put it off. I'm talking to you.
Kyle Chang 32:26
This episode of Snooze was produced by Marina PeÒa. Marina PeÒa and Megan Tan wrote the episode. It was edited by Kyle Chang and Erick Galindo. Erick Galindo also fact checked this episode. It was mixed and engineered by Donald Paz. Jessica Pilot is our talent producer. Erick Galindo is our show runner. Megan Tan is our host. Our producers are Marina PeÒa and Emma Alabaster. Our associate producer is Kyle Chang. Antonia Cereijido and Leo G are the executive producers. Our theme song is by Wayan Dopeman. Andrew Eapen wrote and compose the original music for this show.
Megan Tan 33:09
The original artwork for Snooze was created by Seonna Hong.
Kyle Chang 33:13
Make sure you hit follow, like, and subscribe to Snooze wherever you get your podcasts. You can follow Megan on Twitter or Instagram @ meganleetan and the show @snoozepodcast. Our website on LAist is designed by Andy Cheatwood and the digital and marketing team who also created our branding. Snooze is a production of LAist Studios. Thanks to the team over there, including Taylor Coffman, Kristen Hayford, Sabir Brara, Kristin Muller, Andy Orozco, Michael Cosentino and Leo G.
Erick Galindo 33:49
Support for this podcast is made possible by Gordon and Dona Crawford, who believe that quality journalism makes Los Angeles a better place to live. This program is made possible in part by the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, a private corporation funded by the American people.
Kyle Chang 34:06
If you like Snooze, rate and review us on Apple podcasts. Trust me, it really helps us out. And we would love to know what you think. And if you love Snooze, become a sustaining member of KPCC and LAist Studios by going to LAist.com/memberships. Support the place that supports this work that supports people like me. I'm Kyle Chang and thanks for listening. [music out]
Megan Tan 34:37
[music] On the next episode of Snooze-- Sometimes life unsnoozes things for you. At least that's what happened to me.
Megan Tan 34:47
[clip with her dad] Okay, warm up your legs, before you walk. All right. Do you want pants? Ok. Here. Go ahead, sit down. What shirt do you want? [Dad responds: For me... change.] Yeah, change. New day, new clothes.
Megan Tan 35:05
I go back home to help my father face himself.
Megan Tan 35:09
[clip continues] Alright Dad, ready to have a good day? [Dad: Mmm hmm.] Good.
Megan Tan 35:14
I'm Megan Tan and thanks for listening. [end music]
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