This week, a special Off-Ramp. We're fundraising! You know, raising consciousness and money for KPCC, including Off-Ramp. This week, we have John's interview with William Link, Colombo's co-creator and Kevin's interview with Marshelle Mills, part of our Hard Times series. But there's lots more in the full show, which you can listen to above.

Marshelle Mills is a mother of three. Her husband works for LAUSD and — until recently — she worked in child development. She's been unemployed for some time, and she's even gotten a few job offers — offers that she says she was forced to decline.

To celebrate #ColumboDay, here's John Rabe's conversation with William Link, co-creator of the GOOD lieutenant, "Columbo."