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Suicide Notes

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We're still not quite sure what's really going on between the disgruntled former models of Suicide Girls and the company behind the site. From everything we've been able to gather, most of the complaints seem to be about one of the company's owners and founders, Sean Suhl, and the perception of SG as a punk-feminist-free speech advocating adult site versus a reality of what many former employees feel is about censorship and the exploitation of their young group of models.

Boing Boing (who features SG as a sponsor) delves mostly into the rumor that the site was being hounded by the FBI "Anti-Smut Task Force" to remove what might be considered deviant photos in George Bush's America while LA Voice went deep into the archives of some of the anonymous anti-SG sites to figure out what the complaints were and concludes its just old school porn industry tactics of underpaying talent and reaping the profits.

Dia, who was featured in the Wired article, though, says that while she feels the women could be paid more, the vast majority of the complaints by former Suicide Girls haven't been about dollars and cents. According to her, It's about being mistreated, disrespected and faking the punk.

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Last night we chatted with Nexi, who runs, a site that claims to house "the real story" behind Suicide Girls. Here's what was said:

LAist: Hey
nexi, you there?
nexi: I am
LAist: So I think I've pieced together a bit of what's been going on through your site and some others but why don't you explain it for us.
nexi: there's a lot, and to tell you the truth what I am is nothing compared to people like Sicily and Dia and volataire and countless others
nexi: what I am .. i am somebody is who is not scared of Sean
LAist: wait, let's clarify. Who are you and how are you related to SG? Were you once part of the site?
nexi: yeah lets. I am not an ex suicide girl. My part in this was that because of Sicily getting suspended through livejournal so many times and on myspace suspensions and what not, it was put to me to give her a way that people could see her words and not be suspended. I've been around SG a long time being in the industry, as well as knowing and being close friends with a few but i can't name names here because they are still active and i am being sued by SG and they will be archived if SG finds out that we are close
nexi: so what i have on gloomdolls was passsed to me by sicily or dia to hold as record that sean couldnt get taken off by livejournal or myspace..
nexi: I own two sites and what they do gives the rest of us a bad name
LAist: how so?
nexi: Sean Shul has blasphemized just about every title he claims to bring to suicide girls
nexi: he has put Missy and Olivia as the Front of suicide girls
nexi: claiming female empowerment and all this
nexi: when they dont own a bit of it
nexi: and at any time they can be replaced
LAist: how does that manifest in the day to day running of Suicide Girls do you think? What is the reality vs. the perception?
nexi: because you have these 18 year old girls who look up to them, many of them without a clue as to how the operation goes. They think that this site is some sort of creation of strong female thinking, when really it's not
nexi: when sean has said in his own words if he was a woman he wouldn't pose for sucide girls
nexi: and that he even thinks all the girls that do pose for sucide girls are whores
nexi: the whore stuff is very factual coming from Marla and that is all there
LAist: gotcha. Is that possible? Do you think Sean has the power to get things removed from other websites?
nexi: Well Sicily has had three Livejournal names suspended.. she is not allowed to post on groups on myspace, the SG sux group has been deleted.. and they just served me with cease and desist papers today for my site
nexi: so yes
nexi: i do
LAist: crazy.
nexi: there was a guy who threw up a site yesterday, and not 10 minutes after it went up he got a call from SG attorneys
LAist: So today was the first I had heard of the legal battles going on between SG and other websites. Can you explain what's going on there.
nexi: Between Deviant Nation?
LAist: yeah. and you just mentioned that you were being sued by them as well.
nexi: Well he's sueing me because he wants me to take down gloom dolls. But i wont.. but He sued Deviant Nation because they were a competing website that hadn't even gone up yet, and he accused them of stealing code from them even though the were based on totally different platforms (windows and unix)
LAist: This all sounds so insane.
nexi: i know it does
nexi: and we all sound crazy paranoid
LAist: So what happens next?
nexi: day to day it changes..
nexi: I'll go to court, my dad is a high profile attorney, i'll fight him for trying to take my right to say what i want against him.
nexi: i feel bad for all the girls that think its so cool to be a suicide girl
nexi: we just try to get the message out there
LAist: do you think they just fear competition?
nexi: i mean, they corner the market.. it was their tactics that lost them apnea and katie.
nexi: and from there its been a slippery slope
nexi: they havent just lost 30 models
nexi: they lost 30 models this month
LAist: Do models sign contracts with SG?
nexi: yes
nexi: its standard contract.
LAist: what would be the ideal situation for models at SG?
LAist: What could change there to make it better?
nexi: I think they need to fairly represent themselves, i'm not advocating hating them, i'm advocating choice
nexi: educated choice
nexi: if you only knew how fast on there people on their own journals get kicked off for speaking out about what's going on
nexi: and their entries changed
nexi: they dont really advocate free speech or any leftist agenda
nexi: its all a front
nexi: take away the female owned left wing and you're left with a republican owned racist male operated alt porn site.. that's been Mistreating Women in a Cool Alternative Way Since 2001!
LAist: Any final thoughts?
nexi: no i think that's good :)