Video Shows Monterey Park Cops Fatally Shoot Crowbar-Wielding Man Outside Carl's Jr.

I know things are heavy in situations when they are hot and not all officers get the luxury to select the weapon of choice at arriving at a scene or not knowing what they'll need when approaching. Doesnt really matter now he's dead. But for this scenario in future situations.. i think a shotgun to the legs would of stopped it. That way, 1) He's down 2) you wont worry too much about missing his legs (its a shotgun). 3. Possibility of living
But i guess it doesnt really matter what we say because it all depends on the individual officer arriving at the scene what he's faced with. And if that cop did have death as his motive prior to pulling the trigger ..which Im not saying that he did.. (with 5 extra shots when he was already down).. .. then he's gonna have t live with it. God's Watching... Just throwing in my opinion.

Quite the range of comments.
Looks like the wrong desison was made then mulitiplied by 5 more.Given the obvious situation  (don't give me that you've not been in that situation before shit)  restaint of action was not exercised.Probably not happening but this was chargable MURDER. We justifiably demand better decisions by those who we arm ie police ect..an as others have suggested this officer should not made it out of training an onto the streets.A grand Failure all around that resulted in the unnecessary loss of a life.A very sad commentary to say the least.

No restraint of actions by the police.Looks like MURDER just because they could given the situation.BS

the point that was missed- the police just needed to back off. He already smashed the windows in the restaurant, luckily no one was injured, and the damage done.They were called to assist. Containment was the issue. They got close to him and aggravated the situation. They could have backed off but the blood thirsty animals clearly do not understand there job. Clearly the deceased was on drugs. Whats the fucking polices excuse? There is none, thats why they are hated bottom line. You pig lovers make me sick. 

The suspect certainly wasn't "rushed" anywhere.  They leave him lay there for quite some time.

Whoever posted "shoot him in the leg or knee" above is a fucking moron who obviously know jack shit about using firearms to protect yourself.  If someone is threatening your life with any kind of dangerous weapon, your NUMBER ONE priority is to stop the attacker. If he happens to die in the process, too fucking bad. This "shoot to injure" nonsense only exists in the movies, you idiot.

That is so clear on tape they murder him what the ?the dog for? YOU CAN HEAR THE AMBULANCE NEAR BY MAYBE SOUNDED 2 BLOCKS BUT I HEARD THE AMBULANNCE NOT EVEN 30 SEC. AFTER THE ROUNDS THEY SHOT....AND THEN YOU HEAR IT STOP..???AND THEN THE COP THERE  IS GIVING HAND SIGNAL TO HAVE THEM WAIT TO TELL ABULANCE "OK" NOW YOU CAN COME ..COME ON ITS ON TAPE AND CLEAR THEY WERE WAITING FOR THIS MAN TO DIE...FUCK THEM PIGS...AND THEN NOT ONLY THAT BUT 2 STUPID COPS ON TAPE TRY TO WALK AWAY FROM BODY ONE GOING BACKWARDS AND THE OTHER PIG COVERING HIM SO NO ONE CAN SEE.WHAT EVIDENCE THEY WERE DESTROYING..WHAT HAPPEND GET RID OF THE DOG IFOR??/AND TAZERS??THAT DOG WOULD OF NOT GOTTEN HURT HE SHOULD OF LET GO AND THE DOG WOULD OF BIT HIM FACE...OR SOMETHING STUPID...?THEY COLD BLOODED KILLED THIS MAN AND SHOULD BE CHARGE FOR THAT WAS A HITT..ATTEMPT TO KILL NOT THEY FELLT THEIR LIVES WERE IN FEAR ..  THEY HAD OPTIONS ...MAZE...TAZER WOULD OF STOP THIS YOUNG MAN...BAD CORUPTED COPPS WHO KILL AND THESE PEOPLE ARE ON THE STREETS TO PERTECT AND SERVE..THEY ARE MORE CRIMINAL THAN THAT YOUNG MAN BREAKING WINDOWS!!!
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When you sign up to put a uniform on, over a vest every day and go to work saying bye to your spouse and kids, not know if that's the last time you will see them - Then we'll listen to your moronic ramblings.

Rule number 1: When a cop says, get the fuck down. Nothing else matters, GET THE FUCK DOWN.

Lets not even talk about wielding weapons, and trying to attack a copy....

This should help you calm down. Please come back when you can afford to make a purchase. Your kids are starving. Carl's Jr. believes no child should go hungry. You are an unfit mother. Your children will be placed in the custody of Carl's Jr. Carl's Jr... "Fuck You, I'm Eating." 

PCP.

Only once.

Completely justified. I am pretty sure this was suicide by cop. I mean what did the guy think would happen?

That fool with the crowbar was just waiting to get taken down. Self destructive and desperate. Before you take pity and go after the pigs for this one, think about how you would feel if this thug was all up in your face in a god damn carl's while you're trying to feed your kids. These thugs are ruthless and hurt lots of innocent folks, women and children in their own hoods. I got no love for the pigs but even less love for these cannibals that keep us all down.

"I got no love for the pigs."

I feel like I'm reading a 1970s police movie script.

I'm a hippy liberal but a blow to the head with what he was swinging at them could have easily killed one of them and deadly force meets deadly force.  Don't care if it was 1 shot or 50 they obviously made the decision to shoot to kill at that point.

Pigs. They use pepper spray on peaceful protesters. They use deadly force when they have a Nazi dog and other non-lethal weapons at their disposal. These guys are pu$$ies disguised as gangsters disguised as cops.

It's time the people of Southern California and elsewhere take a stand against this brutality and impunity with which these animals "serve and protect." When did they forget they work for US! At best, they are just people, messed up people, drunks, pedophiles, sadists and murderers, and those are some in SoCal that have made the news. Trigger-happy weaklings.

Nazi dog?  I'm fairly sure most dogs are apolitical at best.

Wow.

How many blows to the head with a crow bar do you think it takes to kill a man?  I bet, depending on the size and strength of the attacker, one would do it.  Did you notice how close this guy came to hitting the cops with that thing?  Do you want them to wait until one of the cops was mortally wounded before taking more severe action?

You live in a fantasy land where cops have all of the power, are never in danger and should never resort to deadly force, even when someone is using it against them.

Also:  pigs, nazi, animals, drunks, pedophiles, sadists, murderers?  Really?  You are just a complete asshole.

The fact that 2 people liked this disgusting, absurd comment is very sad.  Not everything the police do is evil, mkay?

Pedophile: 
http://www.lbpost.com/news/all...
Drunk Driver: http://www.dwihitparade.com/ta...
Murderer: http://www.latimes.com/news/lo...
Sadists: http://articles.latimes.com/20...
Nazi: I was referring to the "unsavory" history of German Shepherds. (I'm trying not to offend you by using accurately descriptive words that you might misconstrue as "asshole"-like.) But you're right, the dog itself probably had no political stance.

Now that you see empirical evidence of those "meanie" words I used, are you still going to ask "Really?" What's disgusting is people like you deluding yourselves to the realities of this world, this country, this county. I hear all the time, "Not all cops are bad people." I understand that. They, and you, miss the point that NO person charged with protecting the public who is given deadly weapon should EVER be evil. The fact that "not everything police do is evil" is specious and arrogant. "Sometimes" is not an option that we the public should accept.

You see the evidence above that is inarguable. I am, however, biased because I was the victim of police brutality recently. Long story short, I spoke up WHEN I saw some "evil" going on in front of my eyes and paid the price for it. I did nothing wrong except call out an injustice, and for that, I was beaten, literally tortured, put in the hospital for three days, and am now maimed for life with two metal plates and 8 screws in my arm. This happened after dedicating my life to bettering my communities where the odds are stacked against these poor and disadvantaged children. I even working side by side with police. Aside from my case, I've heard and seen things a cop shouldn't really be saying or doing.

Obviously, we have a different definitions of "disgusting" and "absurd." Sorry for being an asshole, I know facts can be annoying.

I hear you man, but cops have nothing on dentists.

I’ve been trying to wake people up for years now  about how corrupt and out of control dentists have become.

Pedophile dentist

http://vigilant-antis.blogspot...

Drunk driving dentist

http://features.rr.com/article...

Dentist admits double murder

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-n...

Sadist dentists

http://www.nieman.harvard.edu/...
 
"Not all dentist are bad people." I understand that. They, and you, miss the point that NO person charged with fighting gingivitis who is given (a) deadly weapon should EVER be evil.

You see the evidence above that is inarguable.

Dentists are evil and out of control.

The links I posted aren't editorials or "points of view," mkay? They're facts.

My logic is so fucking awesome right now.

Beautiful! Worth the effort.  +1000 internets for you sir.

A logical argument can still be unsound.

And if dentists had a clear documented history of these types of activities stemming from years of systemic corruption, you'd be making some kind of sense. You're not.

You realize that the "stemming from" is where you go awry, right? That is the moment you go from argument to pathology.

I notice you've cleaned up your original post significantly.  Good idea.

Sorry for your bad experiences.  Given your admitted bias, though, it probably doesn't make a lot of sense to continue to engage you on this subject.  We simply have different points of view.

Right. Focus on my "admitted bias," and not the fact that I listed a pedophile cop, drunk cop, murderer cop, and sadist cops, words that made me wrong and an "asshole."

If you couldn't read the tone, I was being sarcastic about my bias. My real firsthand experience only strengthens my arguments.  It's not a liability. It makes a lot more sense to further engage in the discussion. Given that you're clearly wrong, it's okay. You tried your best to make your point with no factual evidence or one sound argument besides your rosy disposition about a sector of civil society whose corruption and impunity we've accepted as the status quo. Your patronizing is a pretty clear indication your original reply was wrong. The links I posted aren't editorials or "points of view," mkay? They're facts. Read a newspaper or crack open a history book once in a while.

And I fixed a typo from "I" to "we." I'm sure that weakened my argument. Nice try though.

But I'm the "complete asshole," right?

Actually, you are a complete asshole who cherry picked cases in the same way we could cherry pick cases about any profession. You also use your one-sided, perhaps factual (perhaps not) story of police brutality (a conclusion in and of itself) as trump card to wipe away all contrary points of view. Each of those actions is that of an asshole, and you have brought them together.

So, yes. You are a complete asshole.

The fact that "any profession" has its "bad apples" does not negate the the criminality and brutality of the "cherry-picked" cases of THIS profession. I could pick more, but I wouldn't want to bore you. The fact that these people are committing crimes that they are sworn to protect the public AGAINST is lost on you? This is not "any profession," that's my argument. If these people are people just like in any profession, then they should be treated as such and not hide behind badges and police unions. If this was "any profession," a lot of these people would be fired. Officer Eddie Sanchez is working a "special detail" in Long Beach, according to the clerk.

I'm not asking you to take the great leap of faith and believe my "trump card." Without it, you still have no argument.

Well, your pathology is your own. I prefer to treat individuals as individuals (even if they're pigs), but hey, you seem to understand that all cops are bad if any are bad.

Moron.

Ad hominem attacks always punctuate your arguments. Nice job.

You're right it was a good job on his part.  He ate your "argument" up. 

Nice of the video guy to stick around as a witness too.

Interesting to read "swung the bar at them twice" and then not see it on the video. Nor did I see any evidence of the dude being "rushed to the hospital." I think the cops were right to shoot the guy but they don't need to pimp their press releases out like middle school poetry.

What was the dog for?

Well, I can tell you what he wasn't there for. He wasn't there to get hit by a pipe wielding maniac.

It's a K-9 dog, they are trained in various ways to attack. The K-9 could've taken him down. Are K-9s just accessories at the LAPD? If the dog attacked, the other cops in the lot could have strong-armed him some kind of way and restrained him. Also those other cops could've come at a side angle, peppered sprayed him and then the cop who fired the shot could've released the K-9.

Facepalm. Right, and then the other cop could have come up from behind and gave him an atomic wedgie while the fourth one tickled his armpits.  Stop using poorly scripted crime dramas as your source for use of force. 

I don't even know where to begin with this.  The dog is not a supernatural creature. It is a dog. They are trained to do dog things.  Its not appropriate to use the dog because the likelihood of success is low and the end result would have been the same if he had swung at the dog. And in that case, you have suspect shot, and dog shot.

They TASERED him.  In the face. He simply took it out and kept going.  

And by the way, its not LAPD.

He likes the Frisco burger at Carl's Jr., so they brought him along.

I miss Carl's Jr.–Great chicken sandwich...

It appears the officers are wielding their handguns in a "gangsta" fashion... Is that how they're trained nowadays? 

Yes, actually it is. Many shooters hold the weapon canted which you find is a more natural way to shoot. Holding your arm at a 45 degree angle gives you a better sight picture and better control of the weapon. 

Glad the guys filming it were laughing the whole time.  Seeing a guy get shot it hiLARIOUS.

Edit: Seeing an asshole wielding a crowbar get shot is hiLARIOUS. 

I'm willing to bet its not the first time they've seen a cop/gangster shoot someone in the street.

Are you guys fucking kidding me defending the man with the crowbar?  Put yourself on the shoes of the police officers.  They already pepper sprayed the man.  The man is welding a crowbar and advancing at you.  He could easily throw the crowbar or swing and kill you.  There is no option but to take the person down.  Obviously you could have shot him in the legs, but it happened so far and you will take what you can get.   

Oh please. Clearly you’ve never had this conversation with message board arm chair quarterbacks, the majority of whom have never been cops much less had to fire a gun at someone who was attacking them, but still that doesn’t stop them from being qualified to pass judgment in clearly insanely excessive cases like this. Clearly.

Exactly. Your first thought watching that should not be what the police could have improved upon, it should be what multiple steps had the offender already taken that put everyone in that situation. This is not the Oakland/BART shooting.

I dunno. When confronted with two police officers with guns drawn, I generally do not lunge at them with a weapon. Seems like things could turn negative if I do. That's just me though. 

Once again, unnecessary loss of life.  Clearly, the first THREE shots stopped any forward movement of this man.  The second volley was just so unwarranted.  I'm not even sure the first shots were truly necessary.  Maybe.  Maybe not.  But the second barrage was totally uncalled for. 

Clearly you are an expert on maintaining law and order on the streets of LA.

Clearly you put on a bullet proof vest on before you go to work, say bye to your spouse and kids, and wonder - Is this the last time I will see them?

Clearly you are a moron who has not clue what its like to be in a dangerous situation, when being attacked.

Clearly a moron like you would have shot 5 passersby and missed your attacker, got clobbered over the head and at best would be a vegetable right now.

Its not a football game. He's not stopping forward motion, he's shooting until the threat is totally neutralized.  And you're also assuming all of the shots hit. That's probably not the case. 

Well if all shots were not hits then where did the ones that didn't hit go? through a wall into a baby crib perhaps?  I sure hope not! and if that is the case then we peace officers are not getting the correct firearm training. I know I did and with that said I can also say the outcome would have been a total 360 compared to this incident as my firearm would have been aimed at one of the many very affective areas to hit in order to stop someone who is a threat but without the threat being another firearm.
 When I had a canine I also know my canine would have also been just as affective as firing at one of the affective areas that I spoke of as my canine would have had the arm wielding the weapon before he would have had a chance to even draw it back to swing.
 All else aside peace officers are trained much better than these ones show in the video and you will just have to trust me when I say I know this first hand, this cop just panicked and should have never made it past his last evaluation and that is all there is to it bottom line and end of story. (from me anyway)

I question your credentials but this being the internet there really isn't a way to prove or disprove it. If you are a police officer, I would never want you as a partner.  If you're going to bet my life that your canine will stop a deadly threat, then I hope to god no one has to actually be in that situation with you.

You meet deadly force with deadly force.  A canine is not deadly force.  You of all people should know that.  If you are being threatened and you wanna rely on your dog to save your life, fine. But god forbid you try that with another officer and he gets hurt or killed because of it.  I think you're the one that is poorly trained.

How dare you judge me, have you been in such a situation
as a police officer?

 The level of threat
was very low as he was 10 feet away with plenty of time to deploy the canine or
to aim at non vital areas to fire upon.

 There is no need to
fabricate the idea that the officers were in any more danger than what they
actually were in, we can all see the video just the same as you.  Once again, the officers panicked and made the
biggest mistake that they will have ever made in their lives. and FYI I found
out last night  from within that you will
be seeing these officers in a manner that obviously is not going to make you
very happy.

 Now as for you not
wanting to be my partner, you can trust me when I say that you will never have
to worry about that happening as this incident is exactly one of the types of tests that you go through even before any training just for you first psych evaluation but
only simulated  and according to your obvious
choice you would have flunked that test in the first place.

 My initial training
is in the Marines and even that had to be toned down a few notches of course as
to who to shoot and where to shoot them.

 And furthermore, I have
no concern whether  you believe what my
occupation is or what I have done or what I have been through, I know all of
those things and I can say I am proud of who I am and what I have done for my
country so I am not going to get into a big childish argument about it, in fact
I cannot believe I have gone this far with you about all of this so after I
send this post I am not even give you the satisfaction of coming back to read
your reply so if you do reply (which I am sure you will) then you will just be
talking to yourself.

 I was just simply
trying to let everyone know that not all cops would have made such a terrible
mistake and that I could not imagine being one of these guys and having to come
face to face with his wife and or kids, mother and father, sisters, brothers or
any other of his family members and have to say  OOPS, 
sorry, I made a mistake.

 I have had to knock
on peoples doors and tell them that one of their family members has been in an
accident and was no longer with us and let me tell you it really tugs on the
heart so believe me when I say these two officers are having very big doubts on
their choice that they made. As they should be

Not good.

Looked like he was wielding a 1/2" conduit bender.  Clearly a disgruntled electrician.

Totally justifiable, I mean, he was *only* shot 10 times.

In your expert opinion, how many times would have been enough?

Say what you will, I'm not a cop and never have been a cop, but I'm pretty sure they didn't have to shoot that guy to death. Holy crap.

Let me give you a gun and I'll raise a giant crow bar at you in preparation to smash your fucking head in and see how many times you shoot me while your in fear for your life, hoping you make it home that day to see your children... Asshole...

That fuckin& cop was holding his fire arm like a gangster. This piece of S#!t was blood thirsty!! He killed a young man with a possible neurological disorder or some other medical/mental condition(or under the influence) just because he could! I've been harassed so many times by the police in LA. Life is not fair!! Poor fuckin& devil..

How he was holding the gun was irrelevant.  It fires just the same. And canting the weapon is an appropriate shooting position.  Whatever the young man's condition, he was still dangerous.  Crazy doesn't make someone safe and immune from getting shot if they try to attack somebody.

I agree James, he could have got the dog on him or shot his knee. That cop was way out of control and he should be charged as we would be if it were one of us that did this, and for them to say the guy swung at them twice which was a lie then the cops changed their story from that to say that he raised the object way above his head as if he was going for a death swing which was also a lie, we are supposed to trust these guys and its cops like this one that give all the good cops bad names.
 this cop just committed murder and he will or is getting a pat on the back for it, he shot the guy 5 more times after he hit the ground from the first 5 shots for which he was more than likely already dead from.and as for what a crow bar can do to aones head of course it would not be good but like I said the cop had other options that were better chosing death so im not falling for that weak cop out ( no pun intended) but that is just a weak cop out.

I totally agree, he could have let his dog get him, the dog would have had him way before he had a chance to swing the pipe or what ever it was or he could have shot the guy in the knee and just drop him that way but I think the cop was looking for death, he even paused after the first 5 shots and the guy was probably already dead then but he then shot 5 more after the guy hit the ground,.
 That cop was out of control and should be charged!

You have to watch the tape closely. When the second cop started firing the second 5 shots the guy was still standing.

He raised whatever it was towards the cop after he was hit with pepper spray. They should have waited until the cop was hit?

You’re right!
They should have called Batman in to lasso him up.
Who’d have thunk that attacking a cop with a weapon would done get you killed in LA.

oh please. legally they were justified but that was insanely excessive.

I'll repeat a question I posed below:

How many blows to the head with a crowbar would it take to kill a man?

This isn't the movies.  People don't get knocked out and then wake up an hour later with little more than a headache.  One blow to the head with a crowbar from a big, strong guy and those cops aren't going home at the end of the day.  If you think a crowbar swung at the head isn't a deadly weapon, you aren't living in reality.

In general, when cops bring up the idea that they shouldn't be recorded, I find it absurd and a gross violation of civil rights.  I HATE those laws.  I HATE IT that the cops defend them.  But then I come here and I see a bunch of people who clearly have no idea what it is like to be put in mortal danger calling their behavior "insanely excessive" and I start to see the point the cops are making.

While I still find laws barring recording of the police inexcusable, there is no way in hell I'd become a cop and subject myself to second guessing from a bunch of assholes on the interwebz.

Oh please indeed.

"second guessing from a bunch of assholes on the interwebz."

that would include you, dipshit.

I'm not second guessing the cops.  Or were you not paying attention?

Maybe if you weren't so busy coming up with such clever retorts...

"One blow to the head with a crowbar from a big, strong guy and those cops aren't going home at the end of the day."

Yeah, you're not second guessing the cops. You're guessing what would happen if the perp with 10 gunshots in his body would have swung his bar ONCE.

As for my retort being clever..

My apologies.

Wish I could say the same.

I'm not speculating or guessing.  He had a crowbar.  He swung it at the cops.  A crowbar to the head, much like a bullet to the head, has the ability to kill a person.  This man was wielding a deadly weapon and attempted to use it on the police. 

I'm sorry if an insult intended for the true jerk below (Mike C), offended you.  That said, I don't think you are evaluating the circumstances fairly.

Tafter - "How many blows to the head with a crowbar would it take to kill a man?"   as an EMT I will say from my ancedotal experience that the kind of person who's hitting someone upside the head with a crowbar doesn't seem to stop at one to permit more data gathering.  That said, 1x would certainly do it in many cases.  Or, at least leave you never really the same.

I never thought much about the common movie device of a knock on the head causing unconsciousness until I read an article on the subject a few years back.  I think it might have been straight dope.

Given what we know about concussions, a vase over the head doesn't seem as innocent as it used to.  Imagine what a steel rod could do to your grey matter.

I don't presume to know what it is like for officers on the street in tough areas like this, but I've been accosted by cops before and when they get in a bunch like this...you're done. Best decision crow bar man could have made would be to get down and give up.

He shouldn't have approached them and they shouldn't have shot him 10 g** d*** times. Feel like we weren't watching the same video, Tattoo.