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Los Angeles Rant Claims 'It Sucks Here'

Well known food writer Adam Roberts is packing his bags and heading west. Announcing his NYC departure today on his blog, The Amateur Gourmet, Roberts says he's going to miss the Big Apple but is excited for the City of Angels. Most reader comments wish him well, echoing sentiments of safe travels and congratulations. But one longer comment, or rather, rant, does not applaud his decision.

It reduces L.A. to a dreadful town and predicts that Roberts will "go back east." Wow, Lizzy, tell him how you REALLY feel.

Pasted below, for your reading pleasure, is the her anti-L.A. commentary.

Lizzy said...

It sucks here. You'll be so very tired of it so much faster than you think. You'll learn LA really is all about movies and money and perfect lawns. Unless you live in a poor part of town and then you will not be able to stop from thinking about all the money people spend on their lawns and giant houses while a mile down the street people can't eat. I suppose New York has this too, but the sun and and fake happiness and total lack of real seasons makes it all seem more constant and clear.

You'll soon realize that it is 90 to 110 degrees outside everyday from August to December and you won't want to go anywhere. When it finally rains in January people all around you will complain and complain and cancel any plans at the sight of a slight dampness.

Maybe you will not be able to describe what's wrong but you'll feel like you are talking to characters rather than people and everyone who serves you coffee will actually be a clueless person who thinks they will make it as an actor. You'll notice how little they like coffee. Unless you go to a local roaster or indi chain and pay 4 bucks for iced coffee.

You'll go back east.

She later adds, "The food is pretty good, though. So maybe you will block the rest out."

What do you think, Angelenos? Is it really "90 to 110 degrees outside everyday from August to December?" Are all L.A. baristas "clueless?" Talk to us.

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  • Lizzy. Will you marry me. I live here in LA & I'm from NY, so I feel you on LA. It is really like another planet to me. I try take the good with the bad... it's kinda hard. If you won't marry me let's at least do lunch. Not at Grecco's fake wanna be NY ass pizza either ;) cheers <3

  • xox0

    I used to hate LA because like everyone else I was trying to "make it" with my band. But then I stopped trying to make it and just moved to a rehearsal space near downtown to be a homeless musician just living for $100 a month on my own. Eventually I somehow ended up being in a nice loft in the heart of downtown with a roommate without even trying. I absolutely love this city now and the vibe downtown is so real and gritty. It's not trying to be anything, it just is what it is and feels unique and special. Hollywood tries too hard because everyone there is insecure and doesn't realize that the only people meant to actually live there are the celebrities who fuel most of this city's economy. Everyone else is just clueless and tries way too hard, like I used to. But now I just snicker and laugh at them. I also get waaay more play here from women than in any other city I've lived in just being myself and this would never happen when I lived in Oregon or in San Diego. I also enjoy parking my car for free in Skid Row and walking to SB Main and going hottubing on the rooftop. This is definitely a city that you have to learn to enjoy and it's not for everyone. I like the grime and filth and the contradictions and traffic, it makes everything more real to me and feels like my "speed." Most people would rather not deal with all this and live in the suburbs where everything looks the same and feels boring as shit. I'm definitely a person who'd rather have fire trucks blaring their horns downtown and homeless people yelling than the dull peace and quiet of a cul-de-sac. But I am a rare person in the world and LA is not for everyone. But those who take my approach to it will love it. Also. Best food ever.

  • Have you even lived in NY. I can't help but to think if you like LA you'll LOOOOOOOOOVE NY especially for the reasons you've listed. I am trying real hard to like LA... it's just not my cup of tea. I think this is where self love knowledge of self and originality come to die. haha... I like downtown but only at night.... other than that... yup. 

  • ablissabyss

    i thought LA was an awesome place to visit , but living there was another, i dont blame the city at all, i could tell it had some pretty sweet shit, but i didnt really know anyone, my roomates were boring as fuck, i had to ride the bus from venice to hollywood to work at fucking dominos haha coming from a small town in NC, guess you could imagine how lost i was haha.. i got a fuckin ticket for littering a cig butt on Hollywood blvd (it feels really cool saying that to freinds back home hahaha)....im from the south COME ON! but yeah i def miss it in a weird way, it just wasnt a city for me, if you like all the flashy dashy life its def for you, im sure it has its low key chill spots, but i was so broke to do anything! after 3 months i dipped and moved back to raleigh.... i kinda wish i gave it more time cause i really think i woulda found my spots. but NYC!! oh man... i dunno if east coast people are just made for east coast and west coast for west coast, but NYC was my city!  overall the people were just nicer, than LA, it didnt seem to be such a pissing contest everywhere you go, way more relaxed vibe.  but this is comin from someone who spent 3 months in LA and 3 days in NYC so prob wouldnt trust me opinion to much!  im still tryin to decide whether i like hangin out in the country all day shootin guns, chillin at the lake with hot southern girls haha orrr chillin in a big city where theres sooo much to do all the time, never seeing the same people twice, club here club there, i guess you can say im the perfect mix of a country boy city boy if that makes sense..  what ive noticed is that both of the cities are just uncomparable.  id say LA has wayyyy hotter girls. butttt.... in LA the girls would be like "like oh my god...like where are you like from?" id say "north carolina"  "ew....isnt that where brothers and sisters fuck?"  "exactly"... haha dumb bitches    in NYC totally different!   "OHHH MY GAWDD, WHERE ARE YA FROM?"   "north carolina"    "OHHHHHH MYYYY GAWWWWDDDDD, AWWWWW"   that easy!    HAHAHHAHAH   NYC FOR ME!!!!

  • LAPete

    I am a recent transplant from Philly.

    Every day when I go to my truck to go to work I say to myself "It's another beautiful day here in paradise". And I damn well mean it.

    Sounds to me like the author would not recognize, nor enjoy any paradise, anywhere.

  • LAPete

    I'm from Philly, recently transplanted to LA (2nd time in the past 18 months).

    Every day when I get up and go to my truck to go to work, I say to myself "It's another beautiful day here in paradise". And I damn well mean it too.

    Sounds to me like the author could not recognize or enjoy any paradise, anywhere.

  • jeffhintx

    "You'll soon realize that it is 90 to 110 degrees outside everyday from August to December"

    --What a crock. I live in North Texas right now and I'd give anything for 90 degrees. 90 degrees might even convince me to put on a sweater.
    It hits the hundreds in The Valley for a few weeks with cool nights for relief.
    That's nothing compared to the constant three month stretch of 100 plus day and night that we get here, with humidity sometimes approaching 65% or more during the dog days.

  •           My name is Elizabeth (I am for sure not THAT commenter "Lizzy"!)  I'm originally from a small town that's between Sacramento and SF but have also lived in the Bay Area for most of my life.  I was a transfer student who attended UCLA for my bachelors degree.  I originally moved with the intent of eventually pursuing a career in the fashion or entertainment industry.  One of the main things that I first discovered about LA was the incredible diversity, and how I felt at home and just so comfortable being around different cultures, especially Latinos/as, as they are one of the prominent ethnic groups in the LA area.  As I progressed in my coursework at UCLA, I started taking education and ethnic studies courses that touched on LA's deep rooted history of cultural diversity, not to mention discovering the many museums, exhibits, cultural events, neighborhoods, and different types of restaurants that LA had to offer!  This very discovery influenced my decision to lead a very different career path that led me to academia and research to study ethnic minority students in urban schools.  I lived in and absolutely fell in love with West LA, mainly because I lived 15 minutes from the beach.  Also I loved that the freeway was very close, I had access to other cities like Culver City and the valley if I needed to go to certain stores or just visit my friends to get away from the more "city" vibe, I lived by main streets like Olympic and Sepulveda, and Norm's was within walking distance!  I met some of my best lifelong friends in LA, the most amazing people ever!  It is not unusual to start up a conversation with someone in the grocery store, a coffee shop or out in a public setting in general so that adds to evidence that not all people in LA are stuck up.  The traffic is just something you have to deal with, but the key is to try to live as close as possible to where you work to minimize commute time, plan ahead to do shopping on non-peak hours or on the weekends, and find out shortcuts on the streets.  Since my work was 15 minutes away I just took the streets everyday! 
                 I DEFINITELY disagree with Lizzy on the weather!  This is absolutely untrue, as LA has the most amazing weather, on average it is probably 70-75 degrees during most seasons, more colder at night and depending on how close you are to the ocean and probably 1-2 months of winter rain, but sometimes not even that!  Sometimes I would just wear a layer thin sweater over my t shirt in the morning but then have to take it off by noon. 
                 I recently moved to Phoenix for grad school and for us here it is considered "cool weather" during the summer when it is 96 degrees, and when it is cool, we have thunderstorms and rainclouds.  I definitely want to move back to Cali after grad school (we'll see how it works out!)  In short, I think it is best for people to just be grateful for what you have.  It's what you make of it is all.  If you really hate LA then you should probably move, because there are a ton of other people who would love to try to make it themselves and take your place in a second. 

    Adopted Angeleno and Former Cali Resident,
    Elizabeth

  • hmm...I moved to LA from the east coast about 11 years ago.  While it took some getting used to at first, I have made it my home.  I embarked on a teaching career in the inner city, met and married a great guy, and we have 2 cats and a 3 year old daughter.  We love it here.  There is so much to love and the beauty of it is there's always more to discover.  I like it for the diversity, the weather, the countless options of "what to do" on a free day, the beautiful flowers, and so much more.  I do not live in a huge house by any means but I am not starving either.  We have a nice modest stucco 3-bedroom house with hibiscus flowers and an orange tree.  My husband freelances for the movie industry--it's pretty cool to be able to work from home in your slippers. 

  • "You'll learn LA really is all about movies and money and perfect lawns. Unless you live in a poor part of town and then you will not be able to stop from thinking about all the money people spend on their lawns and giant houses while a mile down the street people can't eat."

    We live in Santa Monica, where there is no obsession about movies, money, lawns or giants houses. I guess we live "in a poor part of town"? 

    The author of this rant should definitely venture out of her block -- might discover a thing or two about L.A.

  • Note that she says that he will move back, even though she has not. F'ing hypocrite.

    Transplants like Thin (skinned) Lizzy who consistently bitch about Los Angeles but still live here NEED TO BE SLAPPED UPSIDE THE HEAD.

  • Ummm ... "lizzy" needs to grow up & be an adult.  Only then can she learn to appreciate what LA REALLY has to offer.  My view ... if you don't like your situation or where you live .. get the hell out and see what other areas have to offer.  Yet I doubt "lizzy" will ever be happy anywhere, except maybe in her own personally sized box. 

    - Take it or leave it ... just like LA.

    (P.S. I was raised in Washington D.C. and at age 8 moved to Southern Delaware.  I moved to the LA area 11 years ago & wouldn't trade it for anywhere else.  If one wants to see the difference - move to D.C. and then maybe they'll see the better of what LA has to offer! If they cannot, then the above personally sized box goes just the same.)

  • brainylagirl

    Living in Los Angeles is like having a really popular, cutting edge, well-read boyfriend / girlfriend, i.e., you have to have a strong sense of self, something to offer, and a willingness to broaden your horizons or else you will get crushed and sent packing.  Maybe Lizzie needs to move to a city that has training wheels before she shoots for the big time.

  • LAMapNerd

    LA isn't for everyone.  Some people will hate it no matter what they do.

    And that's a blessing, really.  Imagine how crowded it would be if everyone loved it.  :-)

  • <---------------Born in Burbank, grew up all over L.A. From the Valley to South Central to East L.A. to Palmdale. I love it, but I also admit that it's not perfect. There is no place that is perfect, but in my opinion L.A. comes close to it. 

    I can see why some wouldn't like it, it's not for everyone. Just don't act like someone is forcing you to stay here. This isn't the Army. You're not stationed here. 

    L.A. is a hard place to explain though. You really have to go out and find out for yourself. There's way too many reasons why I love L.A. to explain here. A few of my favorites are Griffith Park, Dodger Stadium, the historic buildings sprinkled around, DTLA, perfect weather, culture, food, and last but definitely not least, the gorgeous ladies everywhere. Oh how I love all of you beautiful L.A. girls. 

  • hN9S9

    is she's writing about the valley or OC?

  • E.

    GOTTA be the OC

  • Everyone here is failing to notice that she's absolutely right.  Probably because you all are "clueless baristas."  However, she neglected to mention was that we get about 21 inches of rain a year, only thing is we get it all in a 12 day long rain-marathon causing mudslides, and general commuter confusion. 

    Lets face it though, New Yorkers fucking love LA and the only thing they love more than LA, is bitching about LA, and how much better New York is (though they'd never dream of leaving here).

  • grandeur1

    Has it occurred to anyone that "Lizzie" was being facetious?  

    For instance she was talking shit just so a bunch of NY'er or anyone else for that matter moves to LA?

    I for one am happy Lizzie is doing her best to keep my rent down.  

  • tomkevin

    'Characters' are one of the reasons I love LA...I'm looking at you guitar playing guy on rollerblades. Also, I might add, in Los Angeles I don't wake up to the smell of hot trash.

    Krystal doesn't count. *rimshot*

  • LA is defined by maladjustment.  She fits right in.  

  • Im from L.A. Born and bred. Maybe im just depressed lately but, I kinda agree with her first paragraph. Every word.

  • I LOVE L.A. !

  • Kindova whiner for sure. She obviously hasn't been over to LAMILL Coffee - Gourmet Coffee, Tea, Accessories & Boutique for coffee and the organic and vegan food options are endless. And if she is hanging out with fake Hollywood types she can easily  go a couple of miles in any direction to find a different scene, people and neighborhood. 

  • thinkblue

    i grew up in LA and moved to NYC 6 years ago. I miss LA every day, and wish that moving back were as simple as just moving back. A career and a family keep me here.

    New York is the greatest city in the world, but it is also just that: a city. It is expensive, crowded, smelly, hot in the summer, cold in the winter, and full of some of the dumbest people I have ever met. The obnoxious factor in NYC makes people in LA look like saints.

  • "New York is the greatest city in the world..."
    No, New York City is merely A city in the world and merely A city in the U.S.

    The hype machine needs to end.

  • may not be the best. I agree but pound for pound it's CRUUUUSHESSSSSSSSSS LA... pffft and it's only a tiny island... EVERY borough puts LA to SHAME. :) Just my opinion though. 

  • E.

    man iont mean to be mean, but dammit new york smells like pee in about 80% of places you go. seriously. lets work on that NY.

  • She's totally right on all levels. I'm from L.A. and can't wait to leave. The first time I visited New York, I instantly realized how much L.A. sucks in comparison. 

    lol @ the rain complaining. Completely true -_-

  • I'm a native Southern Californian and I agree with Lizzy. Seems to me that people not originally from L.A./SoCal are the ones all in love with L.A. I, for one, wish I knew what it was like to have REAL seasons, you know, like everywhere else. When it rains(seldom)out here, all the bitching & whining is ridiculous. I bet people in the Pacific Northwest, where it rains( a LOT)more, laugh at those "crazy Californians" who practically cannot function when it rains, LOL. There is so much more wrong with L.A. besides constant sun/no seasons that I can list here, but list too long. Although I will say that at one time Los Angeles really WAS a paradise back in the day. The city just too much of a third-world country now. The people here raving about L.A. are either too young(I'm in my late 40s)and/or from somewhere else to know how L.A. really was years ago before all the debt, horrible traffic, high crime rates, bad schools. I say this as a native. I never thought I'd leave L.A., but time coming soon when my husband & I will be leaving, possibly to the Central Coast, which is one of the last decent liveable areas left in Calif.

  • E.

    ive spent sizable time in NY. other for the fact that you dont need a car... you gotta be shitting me.

    otherwise... peace out. and good luck with Manhattan rent.

    *edit:
    and your earthquakes (oops; welcome)
    and your hurricanes
    and your winters.

    lolz.

  • Meta-complaining = complaining about complaining. Lizzy, stop watching reality shows about "life in L.A" and actually experience the awesomeness and awfulness L.A. has to offer. 

  • PicoPhreako69

    I'm one of those crazy natives that, for all its faults (which I don't deny, every big city has them), love LA and don't want to live anywhere else.

    Well, wait -- IF I had more money that 90% of the rest of the US, I'd have some "part-time" residences in different places around the world (south of France, Umbria in Italy, a rad pad in Berlin, maybe a dacha outside St. Petersburg &/or Moscow, a penthouse in Melbourne Australia, and maybe an island in the Caribbean... but I digress).  That being said, I do not want to "live" anywhere else but here in LA, where I was born and grew up.  I have been to three-quarters of the world (everywhere but South America, Africa, the middle east, and Southeast Asia), and no matter how wonderful I've found a particular place in another country, it's..... just not home, just not "here", just not.... L.A. 
    Even as nice as the O.C. was for awhile when I lived down there,.... it's not L.A.
    As much as I might enjoy leaving town for awhile, no matter how good a time I'll have somewhere else,... I always want to come back.

    Do a lot of things piss me off, irritate me about this city (and much of southern California)?  Of course.  But I deal with them. 

    As far as natural disasters go, I have relatives in other parts of the US who deal with hurricanes, tornadoes, floods, brutal winters and drought-blasted summers, etc. - I would take a 6.2 (or higher) earthquake over any of those other disasters any day.

    No, LA is not paradise.
    I know that.
    But I like it just fine.
    A ciascuno il suo.

  • sbhixon

    I posted this on the Amateur Gourmet blog in reply to Lizzy:

    To whom it may concern (Lizzy, a cynical out-of-towner, or any other cynical transplant):

    Here are my bona-fides as a native of L.A. I am 25 years old. I was born and
    raised in the Mid-Wilshire area of Los Angeles and went to Fairfax High
    School. After high school I was fortunate enough to work and travel to
    the majority of states in this union – hanging my hat in Utah/Colorado
    for two years – after which I returned to the City of Angels, where I
    currently reside.

    Rant: 

    The constant barrage of out-of-towners who slam my fair city, don’t really
    know enough about L.A. to know what they’re talking about. They move to
    Los Angeles for a myriad of reasons; chasing (living) the dream, the
    excitement of city life, relocating for work, etc...

    Here are a few of the outcomes that I find typical (there are always exceptions to these).

    First, folks with good intentions and a reasonable expectation of the effort
    it takes to ultimately call a new place home find Los Angeles to be as
    rewarding as the energy and effort they put into it. L.A. is an
    incredibly diverse city with a vibrant history. It is one of the premier
    cultural and media centers in the world. It’s an enormously creative
    and dynamic place.

    Then there are the small-town dream chasers who after watching an episode of
    "Keeping up with the Kardashians" bought a bus ticket or a Jet Blue
    ticket to L.A. with hopes of "making it big” by becoming famous for
    being famous. They don’t bring anything to the table other than their
    misbegotten ambition.

    And there are a sub-set of self-proclaimed “exiles” who come to Los Angeles
    from New York City. They long for the city which they have left and are
    pissed off at L.A. before their flight even lands. Their close-minded
    nature and self-imposed loneliness lead them to post spiteful and
    uninformed comments on the internet.

    These unhappy few need to stop thumbing their smart-phones.

    Become an active participant in your life, put a smile on your face, say hello to the barista who makes your coffee, lower your sunglasses make eye contact
    and ask him/her how their day is going. 

    I am sick and tired of whiners who are sick and tired of Los Angeles.

    Stop reading books by their covers and please don't read books on your iPhone, it can really hurt your eyes.

    Sincerely, 

    Sam Hixon - a proud Angelino 

    P.S. Adam, looking forward to counting you in the first group I
    described. If you would ever like a walking tour of my part of town, I
    would be happy to show you around the Miracle mile. There are some
    amazing eateries around here, from Little Ethiopia to Korea Town. Also
    the five museums around me are a whole lot of fun to explore. I assume
    you have access to my email (through the comment), drop me a line if
    you'd like a natives take on the City of Angeles.

  • I'd love that tour, too!

  • sbhixon

    find me on FB maybe we can arrange something.

  • B1G_Al

    Sam, 

    Thank you for such an eloquent and well thought out response, I couldn't agree with you more. I have lived in 8 cities, all but one in the US, and I find LA has the best of all of them in one place (and some of the 'worsts,' they all share but manageable, all big cities have downsides.) But the net list of positives gained from living in LA easily trump the negatives.

    I've lived here for 16 months as a transplant, and here is what I feel I've taken away from my experience so far:

    LA is NOT 'Hollywood,' as outsiders see it. Yes, Entertainment is huge here and plenty of vapid assholes work in, and run it, but as a whole, most of the people in that industry are incredibly talented, insanely hard working people. You are screwed if you think the people that 'make' it rest on their laurels, they work non-stop. Many, if not most, have worked their tails off for a labor of love, it seems with 90% of them I have encountered, one would never guess have pivotal roles in making it all 'happen.' The façade that a relative few people project to the world is not how the industry really works. For every Miley Cyrus there are several thousand people who's genius makes her even possible, she is a figurehead for a silent army of brilliantly creative people. Plenty of us don't work in, or having anything to do with the industry as well, we are a very diverse city. A friend of mine engineers all the albums for an artist worth about ~$100M, that friend lives in a smaller bedroom than we both had in college.

    I thought DC, SF/Silicon Valley were tough, LA is tougher. I can't say I have worked on Wall St., but from my understanding LA, is as tough or tougher. You cannot come to a city that millions around the world dream of living in and think you will not have to work your tail off at first to just make it all happen. By the same token, I have zero sympathy for this 'Lizzy' because LA hasn't sufficiently shielded her in a rich enclave that shields her from how much of our country lives. I pity 'Lizzie,' and I cherish that natives like you 'get' the varying ways in which people approach our wonderful city. I am a transplant, this city has been hard and un-relenting sometimes, but she has always rewarded me severalfold for the effort. I'll never leave, and natives like you are certainly part of why. This town has a lot more insightful humans than people really get, and sometimes I'm OK with that, we have enough people already!

  • sbhixon

    I dig buddy, Im all typed out on this one, but suffice to say: you are definitely in the first group I described.

  • E.

    amen.

  • That was an awesome response!

  • Sullivan131

    I don't have a lawn, work for a transit agency, don't work in the ET industry, wear a sweater half the time,  run/play on a rainy January day  and live in a standard sized home in a lower to middle class neighborhood.

    I guess I really don't live in LA. Her description doesn't match mine at all.

    Except for the $4 coffee. Damn you Swork!!!

  • Lizzy is trapped inside the part of the city that is overcrowded with ignorant transplants like herself.  I hate that part of my city, too.  

  • E.

    born in san diego, raised in los angeles. if you dont know how to work this city, where the parties are at (and were talking the good parties), how to navigate the city with and without a car (yeah you can do that) and generally how to have a good time, of course its gonna suck.

    people move here with some magical, mystical idea of what it should be and then get disappointed when you find out it really takes some work to move  ANYWHERE and learn a new city in general, let alone LA.

    in short, the average human being is a miserable moron mad at themselves for horrible decisions and choices theyve made and is aiming for an unsuspecting target to release on. she sounds like one of those people.

  • PARTY NAZI SAY  " NO UNDERGROUND FOR YOU!!!!"

  • Gee -- as if envying the wealthy isn't an issue in NYC, where you walk by fancy restaurants you can't afford, can't take taxis when it's raining, or live in a shoebox in Queens with 4 roommates. Hello - Trump frickin Tower. If income inequality gets under Lizzie's skin, good for her, but NYC is NO better than here. (p.s. moved here from Brooklyn a year ago and would never go back!) 

  • Kathy M

    I grew up in Southern California and couldn't wait to leave for most of the above cited reasons. Is she exaggerating on some things? Sure. But I don't miss the crazy race to be perfect, the Santa Anas, the smog, or the general sense of desperation in so many parts of LA. 

  • Up_Against_The_Law

    I wish it was 90-110 ever. The beach is always 70 or colder. I lived in NYC for three years and I encouraged people to keep hating LA. That everyone is so enamored with NYC is why the rent is so goddamn high. (My rent went in HALF when I moved back out here. HALF!)

  • This. This. A thousand times, this.

  • I've lived in downtown LA for two years, after spending most of my time in the Bay Area and Hawaii.  I find Los Angeles to be fascinating, diverse, democratic, creative, oddly beautiful, the center of American pop culture. I don't spend a lot of time on the West Side, where everyone strives to look and be exactly alike.  But LA is so much more than this - it is like Manhattan, flattened and spread out across the desert to the sea.

  • It's 90 to 110 degrees from August to December in PHOENIX, not in LA.

  • No...it's actually about 80-90 degrees pretty much all year round except for the occasional rainy half-day or maybe a smattering of days where the high temp will be 60-70. Still too frigging hot here, yet at least the nights for the most part seem to be pleasantly cool/cold

  • vegas, too. hi meredith. :)

  • Zenopolis

    She forgot to mention how downright ugly most parts of the city are. Sure, there's the beach, hiking, some beautiful areas, but take a drive in a neighborhood you normally wouldn't and see what I mean. There's also an underlining sense of potential violence almost any time of the day. I've been here 20 years because I work in the industry, but when I'm done, I'll be happy to live in a clean, safe, town where you won't get cut for looking the wrong way.

  • BikeLA

    He's moving here from New York. I'm pretty sure he's already seen ugly. Plus our ugly still has palm trees.

  • A-men to that. Spend some time in any neighborhood in NYC where the rents aren't sky-high and you will probably see a sad urban blight with no hope. Or, at best, a moderately un-dramatic urban oasis where people move to be far away from the urban blight and the sky-high rents... and an hour and a half, two hour commute to whatever job they are likely to have.

    I'm a SoCal native who spent nine years in NYC, and I couldn't be more happy to be back.

  • Zenopolis

    She forgot to mention how downright ugly most parts of the city are. Sure, there's the beach, hiking, some beautiful areas, but take a drive in a neighborhood you normally wouldn't and see what I mean. There's also an underlining sense of potential violence almost any time of the day. I've been here 20 years because I work in the industry, but when I'm done, I'll be happy to live in a clean, safe, town where you won't get cut for looking the wrong way.

    Commence with the "like, we don't want you here anyways" comments.

  • uzernam

    This complaint sounds like somebody who doesn't like living in cities, rather than LA specifically.  A "clean, safe town" sounds = small town.  Boring.  Enjoy retirement.  City folks love our messy urban lives!

  • You must be under 30? Do you live in a part of L.A. that is yuppified? If that's the case, then it is easy to enjoy a "messy urban life" from a safe distance, as long as you're not too close to the crime. And L.A. has always seemed to be a city in search of an identity. There's no there there!

  • uzernam

     A messy urban life means taking the good (cultural opportunities, large industries that lead to available work, a diverse group of people in close proximity) with the bad (higher crime, more opportunities to experience violence, poverty). 

    Sounds to me like you don't really like cities, because crime is prevalent in large metro areas.  Which is fine, but don't pretend LA is somehow full of crime & blight that other cities don't experience.

    Not that it matters, but I'm almost 40 and I live in NELA (northeast LA).  If I was in 25 and lived in Los Feliz, would my argument be invalid? Ad Hominem.

  • Agreed, Like James said above. If you want to be isolated you can do that here. Find your spot friend.

  • LA is a city that you have to be willing to explore.  It's definitely not the kind of place where you can live in a safe neighborhood bubble that you never leave.  The sprawling nature of LA means that you must go out or you'll feel isolated.  It took me a few years before I figured out how to enjoy this city and now I love it.

  • Jasperzoo

    Overrated San Francisco has some horrifically terrible parts in the southern & southwestern areas with crack houses & signs posted warning drug dealers. Hate to break it to you, but all cities have bad or ugly areas.

  • Sullivan131

    Yeah you can pretty much find an ugly part of town in any city. LA is hardly the only one.

  • Mjbordenla

    Really? I moved here from the NYC area... With all the earthquakes, hurricanes and a-holes, I was happy to say goodbye. LA, like any city in the world has it's dark side, but with sunshine, friendly people and amazing food, life is a little easier to enjoy!

  • I know a handful of East Coasters who express similar sentiment about Los Angeles. Funny enough, most of them either don't live here, or are the type of people who complain about everything they possibly can.

  • RedMercury

    My favorite old LA/NYC Joke:

    In New York, in the winter, it's about a million degrees below zero and the wind howls through at a million miles an hour.  And in LA, it's 72.
    In New York, in the summer, it's about a million degrees outside and the humidity is like a million percent.  And in LA, it's 72.
    In New York, there are a million different interesting people to meet.  And in LA, it's 72.

    Don't believe it, but it's a fun joke.

  • Mjbordenla

    Most of them are the kind of people I hope NEVER move here.

  • Mjbordenla

    Most of them are the kind of people I hope NEVER move here.

  • evilmoxie

    This town is amazing. I've met some of the most intelligent, kind, passionate people here. Despite the heat, which is not always 90-110 degrees, I want to go everywhere and see everything this city has to offer. The thought of leaving LA for anything longer than a short vacation hurts my heart. And yes, the food is great.

  • Sounds like poor, sad, bitter Lizzy wouldn't be happy anywhere.

    Need a wittle hug, Wizzy?

  • I love your username. :P

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