Eightmaps.com: Hypocritical Privacy Violation, Or Reverse-Super Judo?

Screen Capture Eightmaps.JPG For people concerned that the Obama era would be a time of reconciliation and national good feeling, during which old and painful divisions would be healed and the impetus for political-tourrette's outbursts would be gravely diminished, Proposition 8 has been the gift that keeps on giving. Since passing last November, the battle between the supporters of equal rights and the supporters of building a magic time machine back to the 19th century has been epic. First, opponents of the measure expressed their displeasure with a series of protests (with predictable and expected diminishing returns). Prop 8 supporters responded with a crybaby hissy fit. Boycotts of businesses connected to Prop 8's passage followed, along with even more crybaby hissy fits. The EW-Ghey faction even moved to displace the Grinch and Scrooge as December's worst people by filing a Christmas season motion to annul the Same Sex marriages made before Prop 8 passed.

As we said, it's been epic.

The latest round is the Tolkienian shitstorm that has kicked up over Eightmaps.com, an invasive little enterprise that reveals, city by city and neighborhood by neighborhood, just who put their money where their gay-rights-hating mouths were and gave said money to the yes on Prop 8 Campaign. What Eightmaps does is combine publicly available donor disclosure information (which you can find here), with the subtle brilliance of Google Maps, to create an easy to use map pinpointing the location of practically everyone who donated in support of Proposition 8. Thanks to the requirements of said Donor disclosure, a surprising amount of information is provided - Full name, job title, employer and the amount of donation are all displayed in glorious technicolor. While it paints an interesting portrait of conservative California (that, among other things, indicates large number of retirees among the Prop 8ers1), it also sparked considerable debate about civic responsibility and the right to privacy.

Since launching a little over a month ago, Eightmaps has been covered extensively by papers such the SF Gate, the LA Times, and most recently and shallowly, by the New York Times. What these articles have in common is a tendency to feature Prop 8 supporters screaming 'til they're blue in the face that their civil liberties have been seriously violated, without also bothering to substantially examine the preceding violation of civil rights that occurred with the passage prop 82. What they also have in common is the lack of any comment by Eightmaps' creator. She or He has controversally chosen to remain anonymous, even refusing all requests to be interviewed. (Full Disclosure - I attempted to contact him or her for this article, with no reply.) An interesting and perhaps intentional irony, given the amount of information her or his website makes accessible.

That discrepancy has at the heart of considerable argument over the site- Blogger "Mike" of Note On Virginia (an excellent, if somewhat annoyingly libertarian place to go for news and commentary on issues facing the GBLT community) has announced that he managed to determine who created Eightmaps, though so far he's sitting on the information. What he isn't sitting on is a detailed and compelling argument from a Pro-Gay Rights perspective that the site's creator should, excuse the pun, out him or herself and go public. Similarly, Gawker's Vallywag recently called Eightmaps' creator a "big chicken" for similar reasons.

Though it hurts this staunch opponent of Prop 8 to admit, Eightmaps' deriders miiiight have a point - there are extremely compelling arguments in favor of protecting at least the domestic privacy of political actors. Let's take a trip down memory lane and recall the last time someone's private and public lives caused this much discussion - John Edwards' recent total political cereer meltdown, due to the revelation that he had carried on a clandestine, off again-on again affair with one of the lamest people in the country while his wife was recovering, then suffering, from cancer.

Edwards.jpg Democrats and liberals in general (including myself) were pissed the hell off about this. Edwards had run for President as a serious candidate, knowing full well that he had basically committed the only sin our corrupt media and the dumb dumb stupid heads in the heartland actually care about3. Obviously, it was gross irresponsibility because had he won the nomination, the affair would have come out and he'd have lost the election. Imagine McCain in the White House right now.

The fact that Edwards is a bad husband, (Who cheats on a sick wife, then forces her to endure mountains of humiliation because you decided to run for public office knowing that the affair might come out?) doesn't matter. What matters is that he was a terrible candidate, which is unrelated entirely to his affair. Is what went on it really any of our business? Does it matter in any substantial way? Shouldn't one's private life remain private, barring any actual criminal activity, which again didn't actually occur? Perhaps the same could be said for people who support prop 8, who are perfectly within their legal rights to lack anything resembling decency and compassion for their fellow citizens, then voting (and donating) accordingly.

Then again, perhaps Edwards is the wrong comparison - Let's consider Elliott Spitzer instead, a man who made his name prosecuting prostitution rings as a DA, then used that tough on ew-sex-ew stance to catapult himself to the New York Governor's mansion, where he proceeded to spend thousands of dollars on... prostitutes. Putting aside the fact that he's clearly an awful person, he also committed actual crimes, and the suggestion that his love of high priced hookers was in any way a "private matter" is shut-the-fuck-up laughable on the face of it.

As has been argued by supporters of Eightmaps all over the internets, people who donated to support Prop 8 have inserted themselves rather intimately into the private lives of thousands of their Fellow Californians. They also made their private information public in full accordance with California's donor disclosure laws, something they must surely have been aware of at the time. Mature adults must surely recognize that if you support something enough to actually donate money to the cause, it's cowardly to later seek to obscure that support. Furthermore, if you support something that happens to directly affect thousands or even millions of people who happen to disagree with you, they're likely to get a mite bit impolte about it. But isn't that just desserts?

After all, conservatives have, during the last 20 years, made a particularly refined art form out of locating the private information for anyone who dares speak out about causes they oppose, and have used that information to harass them beyond anything reasonable. It's also worth nothing, as the Marriage Equality Now blog very excellently reminds us in their defense of the anonymity of Eightmaps' creator, that the expressed fears that conservatives have of gay reprisals sounds more like a certain river in Egypt4 than anything resembling reality - aside from a very pointless act of vandalism, there has been literally no violence or destruction aimed at Prop 8 supporters by those in favor of gay rights, despite the constant and steady stream of lies and misinformation that has come to define the quality of character of those opposed to equal marriage rights. By contrast, in many parts of the country, even admitting that you're gay can be a life threatening action - this is something that no conservative Christian has ever experienced in the long history of this nation, unless you take them at their word that fierce condemnation and strident disagreement are equivalent to gay bashing or lynching.

Which we most certainly do not.

Is, however, it enough to point out that the worst supporters of Prop 8 can expect is the end of a few friendships and maaaaaybe someone tearing up the shrubbery in their lawn? Does the fact that they face far fewer risks than the people they voted to discriminate against make them any less deserving of the same basic respect for their privacy that those of us who aren't horrible bigots have argued is due the GLBT community? Ultimately, we're forced to conclude the answer is, well, not that simple. We support wholeheartedly California's donor disclosure law, and furthermore, we believe that anyone willing to put real money down ought at very least be willing to do so publicly. But we also should condemn anything remotely resembling mob justice.

So we propose a preemptive compromise: The second that credible and verifiable violence against Prop 8 supporters is reported, we will condemn it wholeheartedly, and demand that justice and the rule of law be allowed to run their course. Until then, we ask only two things:

1) That Prop 8 supporters stop lying about threats made against them.
2) That they at least consider the irony of their position.

In the meantime, we also suggest that anti-prop 8ers limit their legal attempts to shame those who voted in favor of Prop 8 to boycotts of businesses. Since that is precisely what has happened, we'll simply hope it continues, and let LAist eaders make up their own minds about the rightness or wrongness of Eightmaps.

Ultimately, the question we ask this: if Eightmap's creator5 wishes to remain anonymous, isn't it the least they can do to issue a public statement, make themselves available to interview, in short, explain their position and why their anonymity is not a contradiction? If they do not, surely they must be aware that it's only a matter of time before someone with time on their hands and a grudge figures out who they are and takes the option out of their hands.

We would like, therefore, to extend a public invitation to talk to LAist at his or her earliest convenience. As for myself, I intend to be as public as possible. Just as soon as I legally change my name to John. Q. incognito.

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1) Just ask grandma and granpa how they feel about teh ghey. Go on. I'm sure they'll be quite reasonable.
2) Indeed, the New York Times article shamefully draws false equivalence between terrorism and boycotts, as if people are obligated to give money to people who hate them, lest they be accused of UnAmerican acitivites. I almost wrote this piece as a screed against that kind of lazy reporting.
3) Yeah, I said it. The Good Authentic Real Americans in the heartland don't give a damn if you lie about weapons of mass destruction, let a city drown, ruin the economy and let 911 happen. They don't even care if you torture people. But God forbid you have an unauthorized orgasm. That's even worse than being Moslem!
4) Get it? GET IT? I kill me! (/alf.)
5) Of course, controversy aside, one must be honest about the elegance of a site like Eightmaps - it's really one of those ideas so apparently self-evident that it seems instantly familiar, as though it was just always there, proving once again that it takes a genius to take the previously nonexistent and render it completely obvious, an instant cliche.

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I am grateful for every list calling out people & companies that supported prop hate. I no longer buy products from or do business with several assholes.

Fuck everyone who voted for or supported this idiotic DISCRIMINATORY proposition!

Wow.. this is great. Now we can economically attack small businesses for supporting Prop 8. Some organizations, companies, and firms donated money, but that does not mean its employees support their contributions and support of Prop 8. This is just like how everyone boycotted El Coyote restaurant because ONE manager supports Prop 8 and now the restaurant is suffering.

Way to go on contributing to worsening the Los Angeles economy.

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The right to general anonymity in 'creative works' has always excited.

The disclosure of donation information has been around for years, and there are more than a couple sites dedicated to listing who donated to what party for each election.

Just because they have done the same with Prop 8 is not indicative of an invasion of privacy, it is indicative of a complicated political issue that has strong societal connotations.

Basically you are discussing an established approved belief (donation transparency) and not the real topic, homosexuality's acceptance in society vs. private life.

...this is something that no conservative Christian has ever experienced in the long history of this nation...


I take it that "long history" means since the end of the civil rights movement.


The second that credible and verifiable violence against Prop 8 supporters is reported, we will condemn it wholeheartedly, and demand that justice and the rule of law be allowed to run their course. Until then...


So until a credible bigot receives his or her comeuppance and the act is verified by the overseers of No on Prop 8, then it's business as usual.

Imagine if you will, a Yes on Prop 8 supporter researching every gay-owned and related businesses in California, marking them on a google map and then disseminating that information in the form of a boycott.

My gawd, the light from the mobs firebombing the Mormon temple would be seen for miles.

And yet, many of you continue to sit and wonder how on earth this proposition managed to pass -- as if money had anything to do with it.

With friends like you, who needs bigots.

Um... you mean people have actually tried to harass gays and deprived them of their livelihood?

The Christian Right would never do that!

Except, of course, when they did (e.g., Briggs Initiative, the Knight Initiative.... etc.).

I think the real question is "What is the purpose of the site?" Is the site's intent to be malicious? After all, as you've pointed out, all the information in eightmaps is readily available. So what was the point of plotting the information on a map? Was it to encourage harassment of the donors?

Also, I think that assuming that people are aware of California's political donor laws is unfair, given that many donors might have been transplants who were unaware of the laws governing donations here.

As the highway patrol is so fond of reminding us, "ignorance of the law is no excuse". That said, it's a widely known fact about california politics. I'll grant a few uninformed people here and there but if thousands and thousands of people don't know, then I'll eat my hat.

That said, it doesn't especially cancel my point which is if you're willing to donate to a cause, you ought to be willing to be counted publicly. if you're not, then don't donate.

Since when has ignorance been an excuse for exemption from a law?

I'm not suggesting anyone be exempt from any laws. I'm just taking exception with what was asked to be assumed as true, which is that "They also made their private information public in full accordance with California's donor disclosure laws, something they must surely have been aware of at the time."

Who's to say what they were aware of at the time? I don't think it's fair to assume that newcomers to a state are aware of all its laws. By the same token, I bet there are tons of traffic laws being violated through ignorance EVERY SINGLE DAY by native Californians, and those laws are laws that are much more immediate to our lives.

I see your point Earnest - it's possible a significant number of them didn't know, but given the thousands upon thousands of people who donated, do you think the number of people who don't know is 50%? Personally, I think the number is

Those who organized the Yes on Prop 8 campaign should be expected to be aware of it, engaged as they are with state politics on such an intimate level.

Anyone who involves themselves in state politics without researching the possible ramifications of such participation have only themselves to blame.

UA, my point is that Christianists have already, dishonestly claimed all sorts of criminal acts, none of which are real. SO just as soon as something real, and not some bullshit lies of the sort usually peddled by that crowd, emerges, we'll be sure to condemn it. Rightfully so too.

And sorry charlie, but people being persecuted during the civil rights movement were not, especially, being persecuted for their Christian beliefs. They were being persecuted for being black. Big difference, chum.

Christianists?

I really hate that term.

I haven't read or heard about all of these dishonestly claimed criminal acts that you mention but then again, I don't hang out at Kos or DU.

I've seen a smattering of news reports here in there but no hysterical rantings about how teh gheys are attacking poor Christians.

If anything, it's the No on Prop 8 supporters who keep writing article after article about how the big meanie Christians are "attacking" them.

So far, we haven't witnessed mobs of "Christianists" protesting in front of Rage or Girl Bar and threatening to shut them down.

But keep preaching to the choir if it helps.

> Christianists? I really hate that term.

Gee that's tough.

>I haven't read or heard about all of these dishonestly claimed criminal acts that you mention but then again, I don't hang out at Kos or DU.

You didn't hear the claim that gay marriage would be taught in school? Totally untrue. The only example the Christianists could come up with had to do with a kindergarten teacher who invited her students to her wedding ONLY after asking every parent's permission. There's been NO other case. Or how about the claim that clergy elders would be arrested for hate speech though the only example the Christianists could come up with happened in SWEDEN...a small fact that was left out of the claim.

> I've seen a smattering of news reports here in there but no hysterical rantings about how teh gheys are attacking poor Christians.

Don't get out much do you?

> If anything, it's the No on Prop 8 supporters who keep writing article after article about how the big meanie Christians are "attacking" them.

Can't stand the heat huh?

> So far, we haven't witnessed mobs of "Christianists" protesting in front of Rage or Girl Bar and threatening to shut them down.

No they are too cowardly to actually appear in public and make a stand. Much better to make false claims from the pulpit and beg congregants to vote against the "evil" homos.

> But keep preaching to the choir if it helps.

Odd choice of words there.

As to words please review the following;

Homo, Fag, Faggot (a reference to a burning log; wishful thinking?), Twist, Fluff, Dyke, Bull-Dyke, Butch, Faerie, Bender, Bent Wrist, Catamite, Cherry Picker, and on and on.

Being homosexual has made many second class citizens for many a thousands of years; not mere centuries.

The fallout of Prop 8 is an example of bad sportsmanlike conduct in the political arena.

"This has all happened before, and will all happen again"

Sigh...

If these folks had been half as organized BEFORE the election, it never would've passed. It's really a shame to see how much has gotten done SINCE the election.

Colfax, I agree. I am certainly repeating myself, but here goes - the problem was that none of us gay or straight thought this measure had a chance in hell of passing, and indeed, for month upon month after it was added to the ballot, it didn't. As a result, there was no urgency to fight it.

Furthermore, due to this lack or urgency, a lot of high profile Gay (and gay supporting straight) actors seemed to have opted to remain silent, perhaps (warning: speculation) assuming that it wouldn't pass and therefore deciding to avoid offending fans who enjoyed watching them on TV, but wouldn't approve of their orientation.

Finally, and this is very, very important, none of us were prepared for the mountain of lies, half truths and other various falsehoods committed by the Yes on Prop 8 campaign - violations of Chruch-state separation rules - outright lies about the law in california - slanderous accusations about the actions of anti prop 8 activists. You had ministers getting up in front of their churches, telling them that if Prop 8 passed, they'd be forced to perform same sex marriage ceremonies! There were commercials claiming that same sex marriage would be "taught" in schools! They protrayed Gay people as dangerous sexual predators. Some of them even claimed to be the recipients of death threats, claims that resulted in police investigations but, surprise surprise, no arrests. Churches even advised their congregants that donating to prop 8 was a religious duty!

Of all the ways in which the ball was dropped, the failure to anticpate conservative Christians doing what they always do - tell lies and treat anyone different from themselves in the most evil way possible - is the one I'm most ashamed of.

Point is, people didn't realize the legnths to which the hateful, dare I say evil little bigots would go to convince the dumb dumb stupid heads to vote away the rights of thousands of people, until it was too late to stop it. By the time real, aggressive action was taken to fight prop 8, it was too late.

Fortunately, that mistake won't be made again.

Even so, I wish the action we've seen since november had happened before.

but there isn't a discriminatory prop on whether yes on hate supporters get to get married or not

Imagine if you will, a Yes on Prop 8 supporter researching every gay-owned and related businesses in California, marking them on a google map and then disseminating that information in the form of a boycott.
Actually, something rather like that already happened: During the run-up to the election, the Yes On 8 campaign used the Secretary of State's database to locate businesses that had donated to the No On 8 campaign, and threatened them with public exposure and boycotts unless they donated a like amount to Yes On 8.

Now that the same tools are being used against them, it's an "invasion of privacy" and "the moral equivalent of terrorism."

Pot. Kettle.

Poor babies.

Being homosexual has made many second class citizens for many a thousands of years; not mere centuries.


Yeah, I'd give anything to be as second class as David Bohnett, Ellen DeGeneres, James Hormel, Suze Orman, David Geffen, Queen Latifah, Tom Ford, Elton John, Will Smith...


Or Matthew Shepherd? What about Alan Turing?

Alan Turing! His censure by the British Government was a crime against the whole of society! The man was a genius of the caliber of Satyendra Nath Bose, Albert Einstein, or Stephen W. Hawking.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alan_turing

I was also considering making a snarky reference to the fact that nat king Cole was richer than Croesus in the 40s and 50s, proving that black people in the aouth were lying about segregation and lynching. Oh, wait...

HAHA, that's cute. Using Wikipedia as a source. pfft.^^^ And there is documentation of the KKK burning a cross on Nat King Cole's front lawn when he lived in Hancock Park.

Um... Care to clarify your point? I think you and I are actually making the same point about Racism. I was saying that in fact, Nat King Cole was not proof that Racism didn't exist, or that Black people were not second class citizens, any more than a couple of famous gay people is proof that America is a gay friendly utopia today.

Ah IC. Thanks for clarifying. In my defense, I'm more high strung than a cello on the matterhorn. HIOOO. But seriously, I'm pretty wack sometimes.

Oh good point, it's awesome being a woman now that women have achieved some of the highest positions in the country and made credible attempts at the presidency & vice presidency - ever since that happened I've never had to worry again about being harassed or assaulted or raped when I go to a bar or walk from my office to my car at night. And I've absolutely not been leered at or had anybody lean out a car window and make crude comments at me or my coworkers while we take our lunch break. Oh! And I've also noticed that since a Hispanic-American was almost the commerce secretary that all bigotry against Mexican/Latin/South American people has disappeared.

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