LAist: California Supreme Court to Take on Prop 8

truthspeaker23

Wed, 10 Dec 2008 17:51:32 -0800

"A DAY WITHOUT A GAY"? How about "A WEEK WITHOUT A GAY OR A MONTH OR A YEAR". Just simply go to work and do your job. When you get home sleep with whomever you please. Did you know that a man can sleep with as many women as he wants, but he just can not marry them all. If a man or woman came to my business and said that they were calling in Promiscuous they be fired. Just like any one calling in Gay.

truthspeaker23

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:50:05 -0800

No, Bigot, the Jews and Blacks, who you also hate voted Yes on 8 and so did many Atheist. As a matter of fact, there were gays who did not vote No on 8, because they are opposed to marriage without proceation. So bigoted hatemonger stop spreading your anthrax and defacing church walls and try peddling your nonsense elsewhere. BOOWHOOO. NO YOU. Speaking of Blacks, 70% voted Yes on 8, and they invented the Civil Rights Movement in America, so they know a thing or two. Thing is, they found their strength in this thing called the Word of God, that says that marriage is between a man and a woman and for this cause a man shall leave his father and his mother. Last time I checked, I did not see a lot of gays flaunting themselves in states like Texas, Okalahoma, Louisiana, Alabama, Georgia, Arkansas, Alaska, Tennessee, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Wyoming, Idaho, etc. Wait, you guys are congested in California and Florida and you lost their. Our reward is here on earth and in heaven. What about you? No reward at all. Gosh, it must suck to be you.

PantheonZeus

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:20:48 -0800

yay !! boycott the gays whoopee You enjoy yourself, bigots throw in the jews and blacks and atheists while you are it -- Remake all America states in your image of decency and whiteness just the Mormon-controlled Utah. enjoy Your reward is in heaven for sure

LaLive

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:53:51 -0800

And the gay people who follow this path of childish whining will have to deal with boycotts and protests by millions of Americans. The 98% who are not confused homosexuals but are simply formed by God to marry a member of the opposite sex, and who are sick and tired of heterophobic BIGOTED AND HATEFUL nonsense. Your activists have warned your small crowd about a backlash, but you invisible people would rather be seen in your nonsensical wardrobe, than endure another thousand years of being ignored. Who cares? There was a legal vote, that all got to participate in and that is that. Let's see how No on 8 supporters react to protests. Funny, they are passing your same list around in churches, and every Sunday these people are increasing their new patron base

LaLive

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:07:57 -0800

By Johnny- What happens to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc? So in "the Kingdom of Heaven" there will only be heterosexual Americans? Yea, truthspeaker23 what happens to all of these people? And let's not forget the Atheist, Agnostics, Homosexuals, Satanist, and Pedophiles. According to Johnny he equates Christianity with America, so what about the billions of people prior to 1776 who walked the earth? But I would ask the Muslim, Buddhist, Hindu, etc., what happens to the Jews and Christians, if we are to play your game? Muslims- Islam acknowledges that Jesus Christ was a prophet, that He was born of a virgin, and even that He was sinless. ( In otherwards the Messiah, and the only true path to God.) Buddhism-The "Life of Saint Issa, Best of the Sons of Men" purportedly recounts the travels of one known in the East as Saint Issa, whom Notovitch identified as Jesus. After initially doubting Notovitch, a disciple of Sri Ramakrishna, Swami Abhedananda, journeyed to Tibet, investigated his claim, helped translate part of the document, and later championed his views. (Championed his views, which was that No one comes through the Father accept through Me (Jesus) HInduism- In Hinduism marriage is between two souls whose relationship may go beyond this life. Marriage in Hinduism is between a man and a woman, whose primary purpose is procreation and achievement of the four aims of life: dharma (personal, family, social, and religious laws), artha (wealth), kama (sensual enjoyment), moksha (spiritual liberation). It seems that of all the religions you speak of, they commonly share the truth, that marriage is between One Man and One Woman. You know, like Proposition 8.

PantheonZeus

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:48:40 -0800

and Yes on 8 will have to deal with their "nonsense" of being called BIGOTS (which they ar -even if they hide behind their church or bible understanding) as well as become victims of boycotts and protests by thousands who had their civil right to legal civil marriage taken away. Ps -- Jesus didn't care for marriage since he told all his followers to leave their spouses and families and parents and children to follow him and prepare for the end days. Sounds like a bi-polar political dissident Cult Leader to me.

LaLive

Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:41:45 -0800

Some out of touch, hateful and biased No on 8 person suggested that the anthrax sent by No on 8 prostesters, was actually sent by Yes on 8 people. That is the defintion of ILLOGICAL. I AGREED WITH POST 15. Now what? I guess we are to believe that it was really Yes on 8 people protesting, defacing buildings, stopping traffic and masquerading as No on 8 people. Take responsibility for your nonsense.

jk77

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:46:08 -0800

Regarding post 10, AGREED!

LaLive

Sun, 30 Nov 2008 09:40:11 -0800

You can disagree with Truthspeaker23, but the facts regarding the Gay Rights movement are clear, Harry Hay founded it and it continues on the premise that little boys need men to liberate them from sexual inhibitions. Harry Hay was not just a fringe member of NAMBLA and the Gay Rights Movement, he was the founder and aleader in both. I can not be part of such a cause and I openly denounce my vote and will spread the word to other straights who were deceived. I found this informaation "Harry Hay was a fierce advocate of man/boy love. While The Chronicle simply ignored Harry's views, the North American Man/Boy Love Association was only too delighted to put up a collection of Harry's views on the need for young boys to have older men as sexual partners. Here's just a sample taken from a talk at a New York University forum sponsored by a campus gay group in 1983. Said Harry: "Because if the parents and friends of gays are truly friends of gays, they would know from their gay kids that the relationship with an older man is precisely what thirteen-, fourteen-, and fifteen-year-old kids need more than anything else in the world." The text of this conference speech in full is available on NAMBLA's website. I'd say this goes beyond issue advocacy. RobS 13:47, 27 April 2007 (EDT) and RobS 12:10, 28 April 2007 (EDT) Equating gays with NAMBLA, though, is still incorrect, even if one guy was both.-AmesGyo! 12:29, 28 April 2007 (EDT) It is not simply "one guy", it is the recognized founder of the organized gay rights movement in the US, who coincidently had been a CPUSA member since the 1930s. And if you haven't heard by now, this particularly is my area of speciality, which I can proudly assert is the cause of my banning from WP. WP:Cold War Portal carries a few articles I authored, one of which is History of Soviet Espionage in the United States. This is an unwritten chapter, the subversive influence of the homosexual movement on American politics and society. I am greatful to User:JeffersonDarcy, becuase I had no reason to ever pursue this on my own, but when I found the precious little nugget about how Harry Hay had been a CPUSA member since the 30s, it filled in a lot of gaps. And we see now how this socially and politically subversive organization took the leadership role in March of 2003 of the anti-War movement. We have living history here that must be documented. RobS 13:22, 28 April 2007 (EDT)

truthspeaker23

Sat, 29 Nov 2008 16:13:14 -0800

By Johnny- What happens to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc? So in "the Kingdom of Heaven" there will only be heterosexual Americans? Did you realy think that this was a smart question? Why not go back to school with Gary and learn logic. All human beings are heterogamous, which means born from a male and a female. X and Y chromosomes. Simple Logic. A person can follow Christ and be African, Asian, Indian, European, Russian, and come out of different religions such as Buddhism, Hinduism, Islam, etc. A person can overcome pedophilia and homosexuality which are mere sexual activities. There are former homosexual psychiatrist trying to reach homosexuals in this dire strait, even as we speak. I guess in your world, a person can practice pedophila, like the founder of your movement, Harry Hay, and still go to heaven. You probably think that God created Albert and Allen, but when they died off and became extinct, when they could not reproduce, God then decided to create Adam and Eve. Maybe, you just think that man happened through cosmic happenstance, and some men and women were born homosexual. Use your brain, instead of justifying your state of mind. There us no proceation in homosexuality period, which makes the activity of homosexuality a self gratifying act for some, likened unto asexuality.

truthspeaker23

Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:51:10 -0800

Gerbel. If people are born homosexual then how do you explain the high percentage of homosexuality in prisons? Also, homosexuals are only 1 percent of the populus, so how is it that they account for 40% of the child molestation cases. Harry Hay, your pedophile and gay leader can explain it, since he founded the National Gay Liberation Movement. Is this a lie and acts of homosexuality are choices people make? Or, maybe most criminals are really homosexual? Consider these facts. You will likely not. In prisons, many males are involved in homosexual sex. Dr. Frank Rundle who served as chief psychiatrist of the 2200-man California Training facility at Soledad, and also as Director of Psychiatry of Prison Health Services for all of the correctional institutions, both juvenile and adult in New York City "believes that it's almost universal," involving "almost everybody at least sometime." Another professional gives a 70 percent estimate (75: 12). These estimates are similar to the one given by a Canadian, Roger Caron, in his 1978 book "Go-BOY" which won the Governor General's Medal. He had been in numerous Canadian prisons and reports on his experiences with homosexual activity: I was plagued daily with offers of marriage, money and food, until my mind was reeling with the magnitude of it all. Gradually the wolves came to realize that I did not go that route... (18: 140-141). Caron was arrested for armed robbery in the winter of 1992. The reasons why he had returned to a life of crime was not explored by the media. While I was writing this section of the document in April, 1992, I mentioned to a group of three females and one male that I was writing about homosexuality in prison systems. One female reported that she knew a male who had been raped in Calgary's detention center. One U.S. group formed to hopefully put an end to male rape in detention facilities, estimates that 26,000 male rapes a day occur in American prisons (17: 31); this is about one male rape every three seconds, and it is a much higher rape estimate than the ones reported for all females in the United States. This male rape estimate also does not include rapes in juvenile detention facilities where rapes are estimated to occur at even higher rates.

truthspeaker23

Sat, 29 Nov 2008 15:44:12 -0800

Hitler?? Wasn't he like the Catholic homosexual priests who spoke out for homosexuality. Since, Hitler worked with Ratzinger aand the Office of the Inquisition in the Catholic Church, whose sole purpose was to exterminate true Christians and Jews and establish themeselves as the true church. Jesus was crucified because he did not recognize the religious leaders of the day. Connection, the catholic church says that 60% of their priests are homosexual and 95% of the Catholic child molesters were homosexual Two funny facts however, Hitler was known to spend times with boys in the Hitler youth group and Harry Hay modeled himself after Hitler and joined the CPUSA. You know Harry, the one who founded the National Gay Liberation movement and was a member of NAMBLA.

jrb

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:20:45 -0800

liespeaker23, here's a quote from a speech made by one of your Christian bretheren; "My feelings as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. It points me to the man who once in loneliness, surrounded only by a few followers, recognized these Jews for what they were and summoned men to fight against them and who, God's truth! was greatest not as a sufferer but as a fighter. In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might and seized the scourge to drive out of the Temple the brood of vipers and adders. How terrific was His fight for the world against the Jewish poison. To-day, after two thousand years, with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before in the fact that it was for this that He had to shed His blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice.... And if there is anything which could demonstrate that we are acting rightly it is the distress that daily grows. For as a Christian I have also a duty to my own people.... When I go out in the morning and see these men standing in their queues and look into their pinched faces, then I believe I would be no Christian, but a very devil if I felt no pity for them, if I did not, as did our Lord two thousand years ago, turn against those (the Jews) by whom to-day this poor people is plundered and exploited. " Adolf Hitler, in his speech on 12 April 1922

Johnny

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 11:16:22 -0800

Yeah I agree.

GarySe7en

Wed, 26 Nov 2008 10:42:24 -0800

I vote we just ignore truthspeaker23 from now on, he obviously is here for the sole purpose of stirring things up, and is completely out of touch. We need to spend less time trying to argue logic with those incapable of logical thought, and more time reaching out to the moderates willing to listen with an open mind.

Johnny

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 17:25:01 -0800

But with your logic in post #6 you are suggesting that Christianity is the only "true" religion for mankind to follow. That is a very one side view if you ask me. What happens to Muslims, Buddhists, Hindus, etc? So in "the Kingdom of Heaven" there will only be heterosexual Americans?

GarySe7en

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 16:06:59 -0800

"Gay and lesbian marriage and abortion are serious attempts of destroying the Almighty Eternal Creator’s ongoing creations of human life on earth! If they did not change their sexual conduct and pay in full damages they caused while they on earth, they surely must pay after their earthly lives!" Um you do realize the gay and lesbian issue and abortion are different things right? Abortion tends to stem from unwanted pregnancy, a rather challenging feat in a gay relationship. Wow, I mean I could go on but you are so far removed from reality I'd rather not waste the time.

truthspeaker23

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:43:48 -0800

The California Supreme Court will rule in favor of Prop 8. They do not want the issue brought to the U.S. Supreme Court on appeal, because the U.S. DOMA will validate Prop 8. Prop 8 is not a violation of civil rights, and in order for the supreme court to rule such, they woudl have to rule that the entire amendment violates the civil rights of individuals under 18, illegal aliens, the mentally incompetent the class of people called pedophiles, and the class of people called polygamist. The latter of which No on 8 supporters should be familiar, since those two groups donated millions to the No on 8 campaign. YUCK!!!

truthspeaker23

Tue, 25 Nov 2008 15:37:26 -0800

“YES” on CA Proposition “8” Demanded in the Almighty Creator’s Laws! http://wdcic.org/ Then God said: “Let us make man in our image, after our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the seas, the birds of the air, and the cattle, and over all the wild animals and all the creatures that crawl on the ground. God created man in his image; in the divine image he created him; male and female he created them. God blessed them, saying: Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it.” (Genesis 1:26-27) (emphasis added) Without any exception, all human souls are created by the Almighty Eternal Creator! All souls arrive at the time of conception. The power of human souls work through male sperm and female eggs to form human physical bodies! The time human souls depart from physical bodies is the time of death! Like throughout global government laws, the Almighty Eternal Creator established His laws for human souls before He created human souls. The Almighty Eternal Creator’s Laws overrule global government laws! Earth is a copy of Heaven and this means all things must exist in the spiritual realm before coming down to earth, such as the three branches of global government: the executive, legislative, and judicial branches. These three branches must have rules and regulations that must pass by an executive of the Almighty Eternal Creator’s laws. The Almighty Eternal Creator’s laws are summarized in the Holy Bible, Old and New Testaments. Obviously, as it is recorded in Genesis 1:26–27 copied above, after God created human souls in God’s divine image, God blessed them and ordered all human souls on earth: “Be fertile and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it” (emphasis added). This means that besides those God chose to be single to serve Him to benefit the souls’ eternal lives in the Kingdom of Heaven, God ordered human souls to be fertile and multiply, fill the earth with human natural bodies! In order to fill the earth with human physical bodies, God ordered each and all marriages to be between one man and one woman! Indirectly, God prohibits gay and lesbian marriage. Through Genesis 1:26–27, God also orders all children must be born from natural conception and prohibits all abortions! This is about the issue of people demanding their “rights” against the Almighty Eternal Creator‘s Laws, (who always holds sole ownership of His creations) that are badly damaging themselves and others! Example: If an individual threw a rock at the United States President, or attempted to assassinate him and got caught, surely he would be charged with attempted murder of the President of the United States and jurors would sentence him to prison without parole. Gay and lesbian marriage and abortion are serious attempts of destroying the Almighty Eternal Creator’s ongoing creations of human life on earth! If they did not change their sexual conduct and pay in full damages they caused while they on earth, they surely must pay after their earthly lives! The Almighty Eternal Creator did not and will never create anyone gay and lesbian! These two matters (gay, lesbian and abortion) are just a few of many major cases where people are exercising their free will rights for wrong purposes. This has gone on for a hundred thousand years and has led to extreme weather, global warming, financial crisis, recession, global hatred, lying, violence, war, and murder, serious sickness and diseases often for the purpose of gaining power and money. All of this destroys the poor and weak who are unable to fight for their right for God to do right for them! On behalf of the Almighty Eternal Creator, I said to all of you: the United States of American and the global world will not get better until people return to the Almighty Eternal Creator and obey all the letters of His laws!

soyelgustavo

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:31:57 -0800

Re: the letter. Nice touch adding the doctor's assertion that only the church can help her and she should be allowed to live her life to benefit mankind. I couldn't read the whole thing, cause, well, I have some sense of sanity. And to think, this is a woman who tells me I can't get married. Is god listening?

polaroidgirl

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:23:23 -0800

WOO HOO! I wanted to read the batshit letter but it's just too long and scary!!

PantheonZeus

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:10:57 -0800

OOOH I love the Supremes Court http://www.theonion.com/content/news/supremes_court_upholds_stopping_in

tballw32

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 16:05:12 -0800

holy shit, that letter's craaaazy

QuoterGal

Wed, 19 Nov 2008 15:31:43 -0800

I'm glad they're hearing it and moving fast, and not surprised that they've denied the stay - as Atty. General Brown put it, it would potentially put CA same-sex marriages performed between now and the decision in shaky territory, depending on what the decision is. Looks like they've that the Campaign for California Families can't intervene (present arguments), though the "Proposition 8 Official Proponents et al" can. Several links of interest: 1) The summarized dispositions and ruling are available here http://tinyurl.com/5k7wcv in chart form, 2) You can sign up on the CA Supreme Court website http://tr.im/19kz for email alerts as any dispositions are made in these Prop 8 cases - you'll need the case numbers - S168047 - S168066 - S168078 - S168281 - S168302 - S168332) 3) Finally, if your stomach & nerves are strong, take a look at the astoundingly bat-sh*t crazy letter of denial (for Prop 8 and against marriage equality) filed in one of the cases by self-styled "Heiress of the Almighty Eternal God" of the "Kingdom of Heaven." It's genuinely sad and pathetic. : (Letter: http://tinyurl.com/5kwdfm and equally-crazy website: http://wdcic.org/) If they end up ruling for Prop 8 - which I sincerely believe they won't, as it must beruled unconstitutional to deny civil rights to any group of citizens, regardless if it's the "will of the people" - then we stand to have three classes of people in California: hets who can marry and/or are married, gays who are married and gays who can't marry. That won't fly, either.