LAist: Yes. We. Can.

BingosDingo

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 12:48:34 -0800

Bartlett: Do you have cognitive issues or do you not remember that blacks were not allowed to marry whites? This is really not that different. Jim Crow! I stand by the comparison. FranklinStubbs: In at least the last two weeks, if not longer, the only argument for Yes on 8 had to do with the teaching of gay marriage in schools; even though not even traditional marriage is taught in schools. They "won" with lying and fear mongering.

FranklinStubbs

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:19:19 -0800

Actually I saw no ads as I no longer live in LA or vote in California. But I'm wearing my Dodger shirt to work today but I'm sad about my home state. Though still gays have more rights than they do in Florida.

BartlettPears

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:04:24 -0800

no, prohibition of marriage depending on sexual orientation is DISCRIMINATION. segregation is not the same as discrimination, although one could be apart of the other.

BingosDingo

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 08:00:21 -0800

Jim Crow does not necessarily mean separate restrooms and segregation. But isn't a prohibition of marriage depending on sexual orientation a form of segregation? An extreme form at that?

BartlettPears

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:34:00 -0800

Jim Crow?? How would any of this lead to a state of separate facilities and segregation?

Kokrra

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:29:56 -0800

In France, radios and Tv had a 24 hours coverage of the elections. Was great to see them happy about Obama.

BingosDingo

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 07:27:52 -0800

Franklin: You likely haven't seen the ads. The Yes on 8 people have been hammering away on the idea that gay marriage will be taught in schools. In fact all the ads focused solely on this untruth. It sill hasn't been called, but its much closer than I thought possible. Will California become a "Jim Crow state? I hope not.

FranklinStubbs

Wed, 05 Nov 2008 02:57:32 -0800

It *was* amazing but as an LA native who just moved to Portland for work, I'm beyond shamed that California did not defeat Prop 8. SHAME on you all. For the first time since 2000 I am proud to be an American again (well except for that am amazing but short time after 9-11 that Bush squandered spending his "capital"). But through that time i was always proud to define myself as a West Coaster and a Californian first and foremost. But that no longer means what I thought it meant. On a night when the USA rejected one form of discrimination it invented another form trading racism for homophobia. This is not a representation of the American Dream and is not right. The stain of America's long, shameful original sin of racism faded a bit on November 5th. But in it's place is the embaraassing new Californian Sin of Prop 8. Maybe you can recall Gray Davis again and pretend that Californians know jack about life liberty and the pursuit of happiness. Hey how about you elect Bruce Willis governor and squander all California's opportunities to create a better future. I hear the state is in dire economic straits. Good luck with that. You think you live in an important state but you're no better than Ohio or Florida. Fuck you California. Fuck you.

samkim

Tue, 04 Nov 2008 23:54:22 -0800

"In this country, we rise or fall as ONE NATION, as ONE PEOPLE. " omg his socialist roots are coming out!!!!!!!!!!! lol...i know someones going to say it...