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Rick Jacobs, Chair of the Courage Campaign, accompanied by Reverend Eric Lee, President of the Southern Christian Leadership Council of California, held a press conference outside the Los Angeles Mormon Temple this week. They attempted to peacefully deliver a petition with nearly 17,000 names of Californians opposed to the Mormon Church's funding and tactics in support of Proposition 8. They simply asked that the LA Mormon Church pass on these petitions to Utah. This video literally captures the runaround that the church gave them, and in the end, they were denied an opportunity to talk to a representative of the church or to even deliver the signature-laden pieces of cardboard.
At the press conference, Rick Jacobs noted, "It was only 30 years ago, in 1978, that the Mormon church allowed African-Americans to be in the clergy of the church -- only 30 years ago. I hope that the Mormon church doesn't have to wait another 30 years to realize that it made a mistake in the way it deals with the rest of America."
To date, the Mormon church has pumped millions of dollars into California to fund commercials that distort the facts on Prop 8, and is the largest donor the Yes on Prop 8 campaign. In addition, Mark Jansson, a member of the Mormon church and a "Yes on 8" Executive Committee member, contributed to a blackmail letter to donors to the "No on 8" campaign.
Despite being snubbed by the LA Mormon temple, the Courage Campaign promises that Californians signatures will be delivered this weekend -- to the Mormon Church headquarters in Utah. We hope that they're more welcoming to peaceful visitors.
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your biased in not reporting the news the latin, Asian, black white majority , are voting yes on prop 8
I'm not sure it's biased to point out this really encouraging expancy violation. Dick Gordon, of The Story interviewed this guy last night. It was amazing to hear someone talk about realizing that he was wrong and the price he is willing to pay for it. Three cheers for critical thinking.
http://thestory.org/archive/the_story_635_Faith_Vs_Duty.mp3/view
by the way, the expectancy violation is the courage campaign led by Andrew Callahan, not the church's response
lahipster: it's "you're" not "your." Latin should be capitalized beyond that you are wrong. Hope that helps.
Can you explain the expectancy violation theory agranados?
umm...not all folks of color are voting yes on prop 8. mainly it has to do with conservative/religious folks supporting yes on 8.
many latino, asain and black organization have spoken out against prop 8 all across california.
please don't go there lahispter. don't even make this about race.
And yet, rachel80, not all Mormons are voting yes on Prop. 8, but we're going "there"?
I'm glad that someone is reporting on the political tactics and financial contributions the LDS Church is employing on this issue, but we should call this what it is, which is a PR move. For anyone who knows anything about the LDS church, taking a petition of this sort to the temple is about as effective a form of getting a message across as trying to get a petition to Bush by walking up to the White House.
Understanding that--I'm glad they did it and I'm happy that the church is being outed for their role in Yes On 8. Let's just remember that they are certainly not alone.
i didn't say mormons are all for prop 8. conservative/religious folks are. all types of religions are for prop 8. wasn't trying to go there damian z. gessh.
To say that "religious folks are" for prop 8 is just as stereotyping and inaccurate as saying that Latin, Black or Asian groups are for it. Let's not generalize here.
My point is that though there may be organized religions as entities that are fighting for Prop 8, there are plenty of "religious" people who find the idea of its passage repugnant. We need their No on 8 votes too.
hey, i'm african american and i never wanted to wear their special underwear anyway. GO COMMANDO! =p
Thanks, lahipster, for "you're" comment. Biased I may be in my opposition to Prop 8, but I was just reporting a direct action that actually happened.
And needless to say, you're not biased about your comment that "the latin, Asian, black white majority , are voting yes on prop 8." You're just completely WRONG.
What these men did is like me taking an anti-oil company letter, addressed to the president of BP and delivering it to an ARCO gas station. What these men were doing was postulating in front of a camera to make a point, no matter how misguided they may be. The "Mormon" church is not donating money to this cause, the members of the church are donating money to a coalition for Prop 8. They should have delivered their petition to the coalition, but that wouldn't have made the news, as they were so desperately trying to do. And they are right, the only way to fight is at the polls. Yes on 8.
lahipster gives me douche chills.
@GardenCatFM - interesting analogy, but it's not quite the same. The President of the Mormon Church gave a message to mormon churches to read (including and especially california churches) about funding and supporting Prop 8. On top of it, the California mormon churches have been doing asks IN CHURCH, for their members to fund, volunteer for, and push Prop 8 forward.
The relationship between California Prop 8 "battleground" mormon churches that are active politically in the Yes on Prop 8 campaign and the Mormon church in Utah is NOT the same kind of relationship between an ARCO franchise and BP HQ.
All that the courage campaign wanted to do was deliver a petition to the Los Angeles Mormon Temple, so that they could forward that petition on to the folks at headquarters in Utah. They weren't equating the two churches.
zach-- from an ingroup perspective, Callahan's move is shocking (violating expected norm) and will likely result in his excommunication, estrangement from his son, straining of other social ties, etc. from an outgroup (my) perspective, his behavior is shocking, but laudable because he's doing what he thinks is right, even if he knows he's going to fail (in terms of changing the church's position). i hope other people who have questions about the way their fill-in-the-blank group is "supposed" to vote/think will be encouraged by this fellow.
> expectancy violation theory agranados
Expectancy Violation Theory A Grandos?
I think lahipster's screed is devoid of meaning and totally irrational. I'm fairly certain he feels the same way about my response. Thus both are meaningless to us as to content, but contain a great deal of information regarding what we likely think of each other outside the actual subject.
How's that?
Barack Obama and Joe Biden both oppose same-sex marriage. When are you going to deliver a petition to them?
All of the Catholic Bishops in California support Proposition 8 and asked the Mormon church to join their coalition. When are you going to deliver a petition to them?
All of the orthodox Jewish Rabbis support Proposition 8. When are you going to deliver a petition to them?
I guess the Courage Campaign does not have the courage to do this.
Thank you, reason3 for your questions. First of all, no other church or organization or group of people have donated as much to the Yes on Prop 8 campaign than the Mormon Church (new figures around $20 million i think?). Makes complete sense to send them a petition.
Second, Obama and Biden oppose gay marriage but they think it should be a states right issue. Sure. But they have ALSO said that they oppose Prop 8, calling it divisive, discriminatory. There's a difference between opposing gay marriage and introducing an amendment to the California constitution to ban gay marriage, something that has been legally passed in the state of California. Obama and Biden have put out a statement AGAINST Prop 8 and LAist reported on it (after the Yes on Prop 8 tried to misconstrue Obama's statements as in support the proposition). The No on Prop 8 campaign put out a video here reflecting that.
Lastly, your arguments honestly sound recycled.
Any time a poster states that "all of" a certain group support something he or she is full of it.
Just an update -- the Courage Campaign was able to successfully deliver the (now more than 17,000) petitions to the Mormon church headquarters in Utah. Video here.
Wonder??
With male gays being such a high risk health group, if Prop 8 looses and state laws impose the new educational values then some children will become confused and some otherwise will go the gay route. As such, the gay male population will rise. So then, when another deadly disease is unleased through the gay male population (which always infects the heterosexual community too) and science needs 100's of billions of dollars to find a cure will the larger gay male population not be blamed as it was with AIDS? Do we think political correctness will blind people of who is the key blame. You know we are not out of the woods with AIDS yet? How much more will it continue to cost science to prop up the safety in male-to-male sex? Opposition to Prop 8 is scientifically based wrecklessness!
Stop blaming Mormons and other God fearing for wanting to protect the family and their children from the next epidemic spred by the gay male's sexual activities.
Ah yes, the oft-mentioned "if Prop 8 loses gay sex and gay pleasure will be taught in schools as normal and therefore more kids will become confused and will want to become gay and spread deadly diseases" argument. Based in science, of course.
Fear of the "conversion" to THE GAY.
Enough of this hatemongering and fearmongering. Just. ENOUGH.
Well Anjali, as soon as I mailed in my ballot with a no vote on Prop 8, I felt the need to redecorate my apt in loud colors and give women perms.
Society has an interest in promoting children having a mother and a father. Marriage is the way a Mother and Father are bound together legally with their child. All insitutions have their standards that allow them to perform their function. One of the main purposes of marriage is to give children an opportunity to have a loving mother and father.
All institutions have their standards. Football teams, educational insitutions, the Military. These standards help the institution meet their objectives. Just saying I want in - is no reason to change the standard. Marriage is about providing children with a mother and a father. When a child loses a mother or father through abandonment, or death, we rightly call it a tragedy. Likewise a child never having a Mother or a Father because society decided that 2 men were as good at raising a child as a mother and a father is a tradgedy. Which in the raising of a child is not needed, the mother or the father?
Those who are single and raise good children do an "exceptional" job. Unfortunately too often it is an exception. But on a whole a child missing a mother or a father is more likely to engage in drug addictions, crime, and be poor.
Thank goodness Californian's had enough sense to think of the good of their children.
Of course traditional families are imperfect- people are imperfect. But just because the traditional families garden has a few weeds doesn't mean we abandon it's definition and say one of the geneders of teh parents is irrelevant.
A child who had a mother and father who loved each and them have a great gift. Making sure that the definition of Marriage is between a man and a woman will make sure that society promotes this standard and encourages more optimum child rearing homes to be available to children.
And yes it is optimal. A man cannot be a mother. A woman cannot be a father. Two men can't even create the child so vital to society's future. One man one woman - Marriage -- Best for children.
YES ON PROP 8 IS RIGHT
INTOLERANCE: NOT A ONE-WAY STREET
It seems that those professing others to be intolerant are the least tolerant.
You don't like my view of Yes on 8 and that marriage is between One Man and One Woman, so you do not tolerate my position.
The Excamunicated Polygamist of the Mormon Church in Utah contributed millions to the No on 8 cause, as a back door attempt to vote in Polygamy, but you tolerate this.
You hate that the Mormom Church contributed millions to Yes on 8, so you don't tolerate their right. You tolerate the Polygamist in Utah ocntributing millions to the No on 8, so you tolerate that.
You hate that a high percentage of Blacks voted Yes on 8, because you conclude that they must accept what they know to be immoral because they fought for what all know is moral.
Questions:
1. Do you tolerate men marrying three, four, and five women?
2. Do you tolerate men marrying teenage child brides?
3. Do you tolerate pedophiles having sex with children?
4. Do you tolerate homosexual pedophile Catholic priests? Maybe you do, because you allowed one to be a spokesman for No on 8
5. Do you tolerate your sister and brother having sex and getting married?
6. Do you tolerate your adult sister and father having sex and getting married?
Definition:
People define intolerance as being those people who disagree with them and tolerance being those people who agree with them.