March 28, 2008
Bringing Back the NoHo Streetcar Idea
Red marks the NoHo Streetcar path. Blue marks an idea for a Moorpark Streetcar idea.
After a September 2007 LAist post about an idea of putting a streetcar in the NoHo Arts District, it grabbed first-year UCLA student Nguyen Doan's attention. "It really got me to thinking about how useful a streetcar system would be and motivated me to do research on the subject." When Doan was presented with a class assignment instructing students to write a policy letter providing a possible solution to a Los Angeles community, he went further into the issue.
The original post on LAist spoke to residents of NoHo Arts District not taking advantage of the Metro Red Line due to crime concerns and the amount of commute walk time (the LA Times spoke to this issue citywide in a June 30, 2007 article). Even for those who lived near a bus stop serving the Metro Orange and Red Line stations found that the headways were too seldom. "The bus stops in the NoHo Arts District have too much distance between them, discouraging people from walking from bus stop to bus stop," Doan writers in his letter to the Chairman at the Community Redevelopment Agency, William H. Jackson III. "The most recent crime statistics in North Hollywood accumulated by the Los Angeles Police Department indicates a 19% increase in violent crimes like homicide, rape, robbery, and aggravated assaults."
In the original LAist post, commenters agree for the need of a local circulator in the district, but LA Map Nerd questioned the infrastructure needs of a streetcar. "Yeah, NoHo really needs a local circulator or three, as all the CRA redevelopment stuff comes online. But why a streetcar? If it's going to be running in mixed street traffic just like a shuttle bus, why is a streetcar better than a shuttle bus? What justifies the far higher cost to build it, the much longer time to plan & implement it, the difficulty of re-routing it if (when!) use patterns change, the disruption and congestion of constructing it, the safety issues inherent in mixed rail/auto traffic and high-voltage overhead trolley wires, yadda yadda ya - all the issues that killed off the streetcars years ago?"
Nguyen Doan Letter
March 13, 2008William H. Jackson III
Chairman of the Board of Commissioners of CRA/LA
354 S. Spring Street, Suite 800
Los Angeles, CA 90013Dear Mr. Jackson:
As a resident who is concerned with the community in which I live, I
am writing to you to demonstrate how beneficial a streetcar system in
the NoHo Arts District would be. Since you are the head of the Board
of Commissioners of the Community Redevelopment Agency of Los Angeles,
you are an official who cares about North Hollywood, an official who
looks into the community’s redevelopment plans, and an official who
has the power to initiate the streetcar plan I am proposing. The NoHo
Arts District would benefit from a streetcar system because the city
needs more people to use its public transportation in order to reduce
traffic congestion. Not enough people ride the bus because there is a
problem of inconvenience: the bus stops in the NoHo Arts District have
too much distance between them, discouraging people from walking from
bus stop to bus stop. Furthermore, due to the increasing crime rate in
North Hollywood, people feel unsafe when they have to walk to a bus
stop at night. Having streetcars in the Arts District will not only
provide convenience and safety for North Hollywood’s residents, it
will aid the community in other aspects. The streetcars will promote
the NoHo Arts District’s image of culture, creativity, and resurgence
of history, as well as attract more tourists to the area. Finally,
North Hollywood’s residents love its history, and we would definitely
appreciate the splendid return of the streetcar.According to the United States Census Bureau, even though Los Angeles
is the second largest city in the nation, only 12% of its population
use public transportation. Compared to smaller cities like Chicago and
Philadelphia, each containing 27% of the population using public
transit, LA has a rather low percentage. North Hollywood has an even
lower number of public transportation users. The Los Angeles
Neighborhood Initiative website shows that only 5.7% of North
Hollywood’s population use the public transit system. There are
reasons for such a small percentage. After reading that on Lankershim
Boulevard, it can take up to 20 minutes to get to a bus stop, I
decided to investigate this myself. Indeed, the information published
on LAist, an online news and entertainment source about Los Angeles,
is more than accurate.Even though it is possible for people to drive their cars to the bus
stop if they feel that the walk is too time-consuming, the
disadvantages of this outweigh its advantages. It is obvious that
driving a car to the bus stop will only add to the already heavy
traffic congestion (I witness the bottleneck almost everyday while
driving to school). Moreover, the parking meters in the NoHo Arts
District have a limit of only 2 hours, so those who want to ride the
bus to work cannot park their cars all day. The cost of parking at a
meter– which can add up to 2 or 3 dollars– will be the same or even
more than the cost of riding a streetcar. Traveling via streetcar will
quickly get people where they want without having to worry about
parking. Of course, more accessibility will result in a higher
percentage of bus riders, which will lead to a desired decrease in
automobile traffic.A streetcar system in the Arts District will assure more safety for
the neighborhood. The most recent crime statistics in North Hollywood
accumulated by the Los Angeles Police Department indicates a 19%
increase in violent crimes like homicide, rape, robbery, and
aggravated assaults. This surge of crime rate in the community is
another reason why people choose to not ride the bus. LAist points out
that individuals, especially women, are endangered when walking the
long distance to a bus stop at night. Instead of becoming a potential
murder, rape, robbery, or assault victim, a person can prevent this if
he or she can take a streetcar and reduce his or her time on the
streets. Again, the streetcar only provides advantages to North
Hollywood: residents will feel safer and bus ridership will increase.The NoHo Arts District is a place that strongly advocates culture,
creativity, and a revival of history. In North Hollywood’s early
history, the streetcar was a significant entity. Bringing back the
streetcar will help the city accomplish its goal of restoring history
and help your redevelopment agency accomplish its goal of improving
the neighborhood’s conditions. Moreover, a streetcar system will
create a culture in North Hollywood that will be distinct from other
communities. Streetcars moving along and connecting the streets of the
theater-and-arts-based city will create an elevating atmosphere of a
unique and united community. A recent Los Angeles Times article
explains how North Hollywood’s residents oppose the relocation of a
historical building in the area. This illustrates how much these
people value their city’s history. They will be grateful for the
reestablishment of the streetcar and they will have incentive to
explore the city more. A streetcar system will not only advance the
resident’s dedication to the area, it will also boost the tourism in
North Hollywood. The city’s economy will flourish and prosper as more
and more tourists visit the NoHo Arts District to experience its
noteworthy environment of theaters, acting studios, and streetcars.Since the 1970s, the Community Redevelopment Agency has come up with
plans to make North Hollywood a more attractive, more developed, and
more lively urban community. I believe that a streetcar system in the
NoHo Arts District will do everything that your organization wants to
accomplish. The streetcar will provide convenience and safety for the
residents. It will sustain and add to the Arts District’s
extraordinary culture of arts and entertainment as well as help the
city revive its history. Having lived here for eighteen years, I
simply want North Hollywood to be the best possible community, and
you, Mr. Jackson, have the authority to help me advance the proposal
of a streetcar system in the NoHo Arts District. Thank you very much
for your time.Sincerely,
Nguyen Doan



That's a fantastic idea! There's lots of places around that area that could use a street car. Beats having to drive around, look for parking, etc...
19% increase in violent crimes? That seems low.
Magnolia Blvd, between Cahuenga and Tujunga has become so fucking gnarly. I heard a bartender in Burbank refer to that stretch as 'heroin alley'.
Stabbings, (frequent) gunshots at night, kidnappings, tagging on just about every flat surface... it wasn't like that at all 3 years ago.
Streetcar or not, its a sketchy area to be on foot.
uh, worriedman...what????
that's the hot new "NoHo Arts District" area. I live there. I have no problem walking around there, at night or during the day. I never hear gunshots. I haven't been kidnapped. I don't see heroin addicts lining the street when I go to How's market.
I'm looking at the LAPD crime maps right now and the only crimes they're reporting in the past week are thefts from vehicles and maybe an aggravated assault here and there.
What the fuck. Whatever. Don't hang out at my house. You might get shot.
Yeah, I walk around NoHo all the time, too. I'm surprised to read it described like this. I've never had a problem or even seen a problem.
That said, if that streetcar made it up to Burbank, I might take the subway to work more often. It is the distance of my walk to the subway that discourages me. And I would take a streetcar, but I've never taken a bus - I imagine that a street car would have an open design, and that makes it appealing.
While I have noticed a lot of reported crime in the larger North Hollywood area, I agree with my fellow LAister (and neighbor!) Carrie: That's not the NoHo Arts/Magnolia Blvd I know. I will, however, agree, that the long distance between bus stops (and the overall precarious nature of said buses) and the Red Line stops in NoHo and Universal mean for some, like me, that although I live in a reasonable proximity to the Red Line station I will nine times out of ten opt to drive there because it isn't far, but it isn't close, either. A streetcar with the "open design" lizriz suggests would be a wonderful--and fitting--addition to the area, which is trying to embrace and honor its historical charm while at the same time moving forward and serving its residents.
Excellent work, Nguyen Doan!
OK, so they painted the crosswalks to look like a Salt N Pepa video... big deal. The area surrounding is riddled with gangs and violence.
A man was shot in the face off Magnolia (between Cahuenga and Vineland) several months ago, behind Poquito Mas. He was walking his dog. He lived, but he's permanently disabled now. He worked with my mom, that sucked.
A guy was killed at Autozone earlier this month (between Cahuenga and Vineland), dead on the floor near the air fresheners. He was robbing the place at 5:30pm. Remember? I sure do, the cops had the streets on lockdown for about 3 hours.
Last November, around 11:30pm, I was getting fuel at Arco, across from NoBar when a car rounded the corner going North on Cahuenga shooting at a guy on foot. I nearly shat myself (between Cahuenga and Vineland).
5 months ago, just up off Magnolia Boulevard, a high school teacher was stabbed like 10 times. She forgot to lock her door. Thats not very artsy. Scary.
Last month: An older guy was shot in the chest, right off Cleon (between Cahuenga and Vineland).
About 1 year ago, I heard a gunshot from right outside my house. Oh it wasn't much... just the cops killing my neighbor. This dude might have well been stealing my wireless he was so close. Oh yeah, and he was about to stab his girlfriend.
Go northwest a few blocks, and you'll be near Whitsett where that nurse got tortured early last year.
Its prolly just me though.
Those crosswalks are JAZZY right?!
so basically you're telling me where I live is a violent shithole. thanks! thanks. I really appreciate that, since obviously every other neighborhood in Los Angeles is a haven of safety and lovingkindness.
why don't you go to my parents' house and slap them in the face and insult their cooking while you're at it?
yeah, they live in Simi Valley. please go do some research and get back to me on how THAT city is a violent shithole.
ugh.
and by the way WHO THE FUCK CARE ABOUT THE FUCKING SIDEWALKS??? what sort of fucking dumbass point were you trying to make? Salt N' Pepa? What are you, fifty years old?
Go hate on somebody's else's neighborhood, I don't want you in mine.
Dude, I live in Highland Park. NoHO wishes it were that dangerous. We live in a city. There's violence in a city, especially during tough economic times. But NoHo isn't going to be the setting for the next version of Colors, I promise.
Oh, and Carrie, I hope I just didn't catch you hating on Salt 'N Pepa. Don't make me bust out Shoop tomorrow.
Ross, I can't wait.
(I know all the lyrics. Shhh don't tell!)
In light of my love of Salt n'Pepa (and active childhood participation in wildly inappropriate white-girl dancing along to my "Hot, Cool & Vicious" cassette in my walkman) and the only kind of "cred" I can assert (namely originality) I will proudly claim ownership of being the first to call our "jazzy" NoHo sidewalks Salt n'Pepa-ian:
http://www.laist.com/2007/04/07/nohos_crosswalk_experiment_do_you_like_it.php
And yes, worriedman, I remember very clearly the AutoZone incident a few weeks ago. Of course the guy robbing stores was netting an average of less than $20 per hold-up and was shot by an off-duty US Marshal who saw the knife he was brandishing. A tragic incident, yes, but not really of the calibre of some of the other incidents you mentioned. Crime happens. We can either face it and fight it, or run and hide. worriedman, what are you doing about it?
So can we get a streetcar in NoHo, or what?
I live here on Cahuenga, amidst all my observations previously stated. If there's a blog about my neighborhood, and I have something to say, then you can expect to read it. After all, this is a 'comments' section.
Take a breather Carrie. There's nothing out-of-line with my echoing some points that were raised in the blog article (I didn't bring up the "violent crime" part out of nowhere ya know... it was mentioned in the post). I have a stance on it. You're cursing at me as if I was ranting uninformed about your parents' cooking.
What am I doing about crime? I lock my doors, and I call 311 everytime my garage gets tagged, and I smile a lot. Lindsay, ever since I read your "salt n pepa video" reference last year, I can't look at my neighborhood sidewalks without chuckling.
Oh yeah, and what are you, fifty years old? :-)
This was brought up several months ago, and the critics of this plan, including Kymberleigh Richards (Metro San Fernando Valley Governance Council member) and LA Map Nerd make some strong cases as to why this can't be built.
Lindsay, the problem with the "so can we get a streetcar in NoHo, or what?" question is that when public funds are involved in a project, the questions become:
1. Do we have the money for this?
2. If we do, what would be the best way to spend this money?
3. How does something, a streetcar in this example, stack up against a comparable end using a different method?
This is the process. It will not change. And for the interest of the greater good, including those who don't want a streetcar, the process shouldn't change.
First off, a funding source has to be found. The funds not only have to figure out ways to pay for the project itself, but it has to pay for the studies to figure out whether and how the project should be built. It must then compete with every other need: streetcar versus roads versus police versus parks versus water versus everything else. Then, there's a formal process of the alternatives analysis that condenses the choices between different means to the same end. The streetcar then competes with a shuttle bus, increased local bus service and do nothing. (Do nothing is a choice as well, with its own costs and benefits.)
If one were done for a streetcar, and LADOT has come close to mulling something similar so there's real data on this, the numbers would not look good. It would be too expensive and too specialized to expend capital on a simple "toy system" within NoHo. Worse, the LADOT study that is determining where DASH routes should run in the Valley, had very dim prospects for people even riding a DASH bus on such a small scope. LADOT wouldn't even run a DASH bus on the streetcar route, and LADOT is known for having some of the lowest performance thresholds of any transit agency in L.A. County.