February 18, 2008
Concert Review - Moistboyz @ The Troubadour, 02/12/08
As I sat in the Troubadour balcony, looking down on Moistboyz singer Dickie Moist screaming to a crowd of roughly 70 people like a stadium full of Billy Graham disciples, something occurred to me: Rock 'n Roll used to have real power.
It changed society, outraged moralists, defied suppression and even affected the way artists in other music forms approached their compositions, and this was during the 50s, when the average Rock song was either about some kind of dance move, or a girl who just couldn't be true no matter how many times you hiccupped rhythmically into the mic. And seriously, if a song like Johnny B. Goode can accidentally trigger a sexual revolution, it's got to be doing something right.
Eventually writing good music wasn't enough - to be taken seriously it became necessary for the songs triggering societal changes to talk about the changes, rather than just facilitating them and the eventual result was that generating controversy became an increasingly important part of the artistic machinery of what was, for a while, the world's most popular music. For some, the controversy was sincere - for others, it was a jokey gimmick. Either way, it worked, because by the 1980s, controversy, practically for its own sake, generated notoriety and in some cases, millions of dollars.
And much like the 1950's prudish freak outs, the moralizers responded with their usual method of turning a campsite into a forest fire. Congress held actual hearings, real HUAC style affairs, about the pernicious possibility that satanists had infiltrated the world of shitty hair metal bands like Twisted Sister; government connected scold groups like the PRMC attempted (with some success) to essentially neuter the already limited commercial appeal of Punk Rock by suing bands like the Dead Kennedys out of existence; and lest we forget, in 1983 the city of Los Angeles actually banned hardcore band Suicidal Tendencies from playing inside city limits.
That's heavy stuff indeed. And like it or not, those days are gone.
Nothing hammers the regrettable fact that Rock n Roll is the sick man of art like the February 12th, 2008 Moistboyz show at The Troubadour. Supported by the current winner of the Band With The Best Band Name Ever award, opening act NASA Space Universe, they performed a set that forces me to raid the cliche drawer for the word "Blistering."
Look, despite my best efforts to locate another word, I did in fact get second degree ear burns as I watched Dickie Moist scream convoluted tirades at the small but devoted gathering. I'm no fan of Hardcore (either the metal or punk variety,) but despite the fact that it wasn't exactly to my taste, when Dickie Moist got up on stage and belted out "Fuck it, let's go," followed by an immediate wall of precisely timed noise, I wasn't unimpressed, and I can report to you that Moistboyz are really good at what they do.
They bang out the kind of guitar riffs that get people arrested for domestic abuse, riffs that populate the kind of songs that used to terrify people and the material clearly resonated with the modest crowd of devotees. They screamed along, laughed at Dickie Moist's jokes and generally made it clear, as much as LA audiences ever do, that they loved it.
(Case in point - I saw one unfortunate white dude doing that kind of shaking head bobbing back-and-forth from foot to foot, ending with a theatrically hard lean on the back foot while nodding seriously dance. Folks, I know you're enjoying yourself but that looks lame. You have been warned.)
Moistboyz music has a paradoxically tight, precise kind of looseness to it, as though they've practiced for 80 hours a day to sound like they're jamming. They make complex arrangements sound very simple and despite the cold outside and fluctuating temperature inside, they didn't go in an out of tune, they didn't slack off and the show never lost energy. I'm telling you honestly, they play really goddamned well
As you've guessed, the content of their songs is, at least in theory, angrily satirical, and as I began to feel I was seeing something similar to what a real 80s punk show would have been like. You know, back when America produced people like Hank Rollins and Jello Biafra with the kind of ease that Britain produces junkie Grammy winners. The state of rebellion in America is pathetic, but there was a time when bands like that terrified the nation and it's nice to remember that in an age when "controversy" largely revolves around blowing millions on coke and jewelry.
It also must be noted that Moistboyz manage to do this at like 110% capacity for the full duration of their show. Those of us who can hardly stay on the exercise bike for half an hour stand in awe of that kind of stamina. So, as I said, they're good at what they're doing.
But the question becomes, does what they do matter?
I'll admit that it's not entirely a fair question. You wouldn't ask that question about Hannah Montana. But that's because alleged artists like that don't demand to be taken "seriously" for reasons other than their ability to get rich teenagers to dance and spend money. Moistboyz, simply by declaring their devotion to political issues and free speech and so forth are asking to be taken seriously.
So let's.
They're a difficult to categorize band upon first listen. The connection to Ween is probably the first place most people learn about them, and Ween fans probably go in expecting something thematically similar. I'm betting it's a surprise to hear them. They're not a genre hopping parody band, they're basically just metal punk with a supposedly satirical bent. But how satirical are they? Songs like "Fuck You," "Everybody's Fucked her," and so forth lead to about 40 questions - Are they leftist agitators or Right Wing libertarians? Are they really a pack of macho, homophobic, sexists? Are they pushing buttons to see what happens? Are they serious, or a joke, or both?
Who knows? In "Year of the Maggot," we're told:
Fuck you and your credit cards your dna in hand
Stick your nazi fingers up your pussy pinko ass
Freedom thoughts and bullshit plots that ain't no fuckin' lie
The year of the maggot is a good time to die
But "Uncle Sam and Me" makes the politics far more explicit:
Don't take my rock 'n roll.
Cause it's all I am.
Don't make me sell my soul.
To my Uncle Sam.
That kind of ambiguity makes it easy for the listener to overlook or even to embrace them, if for no other reason that it's fun to see the squares squirm. But then, as anyone who read my interview with Dickie will attest, these issues have uncomfortable new context under direct questioning. Dickie is pissed off as a motherfuck, but he seems confused about what, exactly, it is that he's angry about and he's too willing to direct his rage at people (like "pussies" and "faggots," who one can't imagine have done anything other than exist at him,) as he is at the powers who actually control things.
The result is that his extremely conflicted ranting seems to serve no real purpose, especially in concert as he varied his polemic outbursts from pointless complaining to statements so odd you can't tell if he's really that ignorant of if he's just fucking with you.
Dickie on being back in the Golden State:
"Wonderful to be back in nonsmoking California; Just like a penitentiary - can't fuckin' smoke."
Dickie on why he wrote "I Don't Give A Fuck Where The Eagle Flies:
"I wrote this song for John Ashcroft. "He's a Democrat."
Now, he could be assuming a persona with Andy Kaufman levels of devotion. Not that you can tell. The excellent performance by the band aside, the lyrics had only the appearance of substance because of the anger and expressed frustration with American society. In the end, it was nonsense, and nothing.
It reminds me of the unfortunate futility of Rage Against The Machine. Now that was a band with some Hard Core motherfucking Political Beliefs. But too bad for them, they didn't seem to know that how you deliver the message is almost as important as what the message is. They screamed so loudly over ugly, unlistenable aggro, macho, rap rock "music" that whatever message existed was drowned in the river of testosterone flowing from Zack de la Rocha's revolutionary scrotum.
Don't agree with me? Then ask yourself how effective RATM really were at the end of their career. Last I checked, we don't live in an anarchist collective. Sure, they were oooh sooo scaaaary and wayout revolutionary and like socialistic and so forth, but their biggest fans were people like my Brother In Law. Don't get me wrong - He's a really great guy, but he's a corporate ladder climbing, republican voting conservative who loved listening to Rage when he worked out. And I've met hundreds of Rage fans like him. Let's face it - Rage's biggest fans were... the machine.
By the end of the MoistBoyz set, having moved downstairs to the bar where, mere feet in front of me I watched them performing for a crowd of mostly young, single dudes, I started to feel sorry for Dickie. He seems to really care. About what, I don't know, but he definitely cares. Unfortunately, like RATM he seems to miss that angry noise tends to so effectively bury the point that the songs are effectively gelded. Music is an emotional art form after all, and when the emotion, devoid of context, is all you can perceive, people to whom the emotion is most appealing flock to it. And in case you hadn't heard, angry white dudes aren't known for their moderate, thoughtful intellectualism.
Perhaps I say this because, as a card carrying member of the "pussies" that Dickie derided in his interview, I'm a bit miffed that with all the problems in America, all people like this can find to be offended by is the fact that there are guys out there who like taking regular showers. But I say this dispassionately: any music form bereft of women is a dying music form. I say this both as a feminist fellow traveler, and someone who likes to sleep with women. The lack of girls at the show only reminds one that thanks to 2 generations of musical inbreeding, the essential sexual quality has been entirely removed from Rock n Roll. Let's face it, the hundreds of thousands of teenage pregnancies caused by Elvis probably changed the world more than Dylan or punk rock could ever hope to. Not that there's something wrong with thoughtful political expression in song, but in the end, dancing, singing, drinking and fucking, having fun in the fact that we're alive, mean more to people than polemics.
I'd like to say that Moistboyz, whatever their point is, might change a few minds. But they won't. People interested in their particular aesthetic will love them. People already tending to Dickie's style of outrage will agree with them. But as Rock n Roll dies slowly and other forms of music take its place, the effect this kind of outrage will have on society declines sharply as people cease to pay attention. In the end, diminishing returns are all one can hope for.
One thing, however, is certain. Watching the show, I touched my increasingly wine-and-cheese softened belly and realized something: No matter how Rock's influence may wane, one thing will never change - Punk Rock Singers have awesome abs. And I really need to find out their secret.
Choose your own adventure and visit http://moistboyz.com/ for more details.
All photos by Erica Zabowski for LAist.



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They definitely sound like 80s punk - that's where every single member of this band comes from - most notably Butthole Surfer's Jeffrey Pinkus.
Much of punk rock is a big pose to see whose buttons you can push. Sometimes one takes on the persona of the enemy, speaking in their voice to show their hypocricy. And some of it is just like a big cartoon. The apparent contradictions in "Dickie's" persona and lyrics are not at all out of place in the genre.
(It's too bad I had to work and couldn't bring a little more estrogen into the room. I have also noticed the Troubadour is one big sausage fest, no matter who plays there.)
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“Kill the next policeman that gets in your way/ It will set a good example for the children today” – The Crucifucks, “Cops For Fertilizer”, 1982
“…that sort of an approach has provoked a hostile response from people who have an opposing point of view.” – Some pig in Wisconsin re: the Crucifucks
Ross, considering you told me you would “do backflips to write the review” of this show, and state in the review that you are not a fan of punk or metal, I have to assume you had this piece pretty well written before we played a note at the Troubadour. Fair enough. I asked for it.
I can’t claim to speak for Dickie Moist. I’m not his spokesperson or apologist. I’m the drummer in this particular lineup of the band which did two shows in California, and hadn’t played with Guy (his real name which I don’t think is any great secret) since 1986. But I’ve known the dude for a long time and been into this kind of music even longer, so I think I can respond to the part asking for the Meaning of all this angry art.
Frankly, if you’re devoting time to mocking people who physically rock out at a rock show because it “looks lame” then the Grand Meaning of all this has sailed past your pointy little head.
Let’s go ahead and take it back to the time that you believe punk rock actually meant something. What is the meaning of the Crucifucks lyric quoted above, or for that matter, any of the various homicidal statements coming from punk rockers in the 80s? Did Millions of Dead Cops actually kill cops? Does Sick Pleasure literally plan to destroy the human race? Are the Dicks really serious about beheading the little children of bourgeois fascist pigs? Did their audiences take those lyrics as a call to arms to start murdering people in the streets?
Fucking of course not.
But then… does that make it just a parody? Are these people just pretending to be angry? Hmmm…. I sure wouldn’t be the one to go up to Gary Floyd, a commie queer taunting the police in Texas, and call him a phony.
If Rage Against The Machine failed because “we don’t all live in an anarchist collective” as a result of their anthemic blend of polemics and power chords, then is “Guernica” a failed, meaningless work of art because we still have wars?
Art has meaning if it resounds somewhere in the audience. And it doesn’t have to translate literally. Rock and roll is meant to be fun. Nasty and anti-social as some of it may appear, it’s all in the spirit of utter freedom: no idea off limits, but no idea taken at face value either. Go ahead, tear the lid off. Vent your spleen without fear. Moderation and Reasonableness are not the most valuable traits. Honesty your piece reminds me of those Mad Magazine parodies of college professors issuing pronouncements on the social significance of punk rock while ugly degenerates vomit on their shoes.
In fact, maybe we should reenact that image for a photo-op. I’ll see you at the Hollywood KFC tonight at 7.
Anyway I suppose I have to accept responsibility for inviting a dude who thinks people who rock out are lame, to check out a rock show. More fool me, as your man Phil Collins once said. I look forward to your thoughts on the forthcoming Dave Matthews gig, at which I can assure you absolutely no rocking out of any kind will take place, nor any uncomfortable statement emanate from the chests beneath those lovely cable knit sweaters. In the meantime we will continue to provide a pencil sharpener for your cynicism and laugh our asses off about what it all means.
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Bob, I certainly don't begrudge you your anger, and I'm certainly not surprised. You were up there performing like crazy and I know I'd probably feel the same way if you came to my thing and didn't like it.
But. I stand by what I said. I delivered an honest review. Whatever you may think, my opinion is that I owe the band or whatever it is I'm seeing the respect not to lie to them.
FWIW, I was really exicited about it and looking forward to it. I'm a huge fan of Ween and from what Moistboyz songs I heard prior to talking to you, and after, I was expecting and looking forward to awesome. And for what it's worth, I thought the rest of the band was excellent. I really did.
I know you're not his spokesman and you aren't required to answer for him. But I'm not going to apologize for being offended by sexist, macho nonsense that wasn't cool 30 years ago. And I'm not sorry for not being impressed by Dickie's retro 1985 schtick Bay Area punk rock schtick.
As for my feelings on the relevance of Rock and music and politics, and I mean this with sincere respect, the fact is if an artist makes an explicit political POV part of understanding who they are and what they're about, then they ought to be judged on it. I don't buy that an artist can be extremely provocative and then when called on it, claim it's just for fun and people are taking them way too seriously. If it's just for "fun," then an artist should quit trying to be meaningful.
Dickie Moist claims to support free speech. That goes both ways, right?
Anyway, as I said, you're definitely not out of line, and justified. But I won't apologize for how I feel or for my review. Maybe at some point in the future, I can buy you a beer as a peace offering. You can even throw it in my face if you prefer.
However, one thing, and this is important - if anything, I'm more like a Might magazine parody of an effete college professor, than a Mad Magazine parody. It's really a whole different level of pretentiousness with me.
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Oh I wasn't asking for an apology.
Just trying to bring clarity to the situation.
You are free to speak. I'm not ANGRY you wrote that stuff. I just think it's off the mark.
It's a rock band, not a political party.
PS the PMRC never did sue anyone to my knowledge, but contributed to the general climate of fear that was going on at the time, followed closely by the Mapplethorpe & Serrano controversies. Jello Biafra was not sued, he was prosecuted for criminal obscenity by the District Attorney.
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Duly noted - the PMRC cases always confused me.
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If Rage Against The Machine failed because “we don’t all live in an anarchist collective” as a result of their anthemic blend of polemics and power chords, then is “Guernica” a failed, meaningless work of art because we still have wars?
Wow, That is one of the best arguments I have heard about speaking out that I have ever heard.
I see what you are saying about "Dickie" being all over the place, Ross, and of course I agree with everything Bob says because he cooks me breakfast on weekends, changes the lightbulbs and takes spiders outside for me.
Of course, if you make a mean stack of pancakes, Ross, I might be swayed.
"Let's have a war! We could all use the space!"
-FEAR
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Oh, and Suicidal was never banned because of their "politics" (All I wanted was a Pepsi). They were a gang. A gang with a fanbase of thugs who descended upon gigs like a pack of wolves, bringing beatdowns and mayhem wherever they went.
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Sorry if I wasn't clearer - To clarify, my point in bringing up Suicidal tendencies had nothing to do with their politics, it had to do with the "controversy." That whole line of thought was about controversy and how Rock used to terify people. How controversy, sometimes for it's own sake, (which to me is a waste of time,) became a part of the artistic machinery of Rock. I suppose I could also have mentioned Ozzy, or KISS, or even GNR's shitty "one in a million." Perhaps I would have been clearer.
Whether or not they were a gang, the fact is that they were banned from performing as a band. That's just crazy. Thugs aside, that whole thing was just a gimmick. I scary, terrifying gimmick, but a gimmick nonetheless. I wasn't defending them, just pointing out the usage of controversy. Perhaps I could have been clearer.
And as for Rage, my point was that their biggest fans were people who would never support their politics. And also that they sucked. A lot. They are Limp BIzkit and Korn with better politics but the same crappy hybrid of alleged "rap" and unmusical "rock." But mostly, whatever they were saying, their biggest fans didn't pay attention to them anyway. Thus, message buried.
Finally, pancake? What about Waffles?
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It's funny, Suicidal was the first hardcore gig I ever went to.
Nasty pieces of work, those people.
Fantastic piece of work, that album.
100% free of redeeming social value and fit as a motherfuck. It's impossible to defend on any intellectual level, even the guys in Black Flag called them Saturday Morning Cartoon Tendencies.
But when it comes on I just see red.
I guess I can still listen to it since I never had my jaw broken by those guys personally.
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Congress held actual hearings...to essentially neuter the already limited commercial appeal of Punk Rock by suing bands like the Dead Kennedys out of existence; and lest we forget, in 1983 the city of Los Angeles actually banned hardcore band Suicidal Tendencies from playing inside city limits.
Sorry, I read this paragraph as clearly lumping them in with bands that were politically castigated in the McArthy-esqueness of the times. My point is that that if you are talking about victims of political persecution, they are not the best example.
Yeah, Suicidal scared people. They beat the shit out of people. And they couldn't make waffles worth a damn.
But if you want to discuss the fact that music once scared people - I say it it still does. Music always scares the generation that went before. I think that's the point. From Frank Sinatra to Elvis to Black Flag to NWA to Marilyn Manson, bands are banned, parental advisory stickers are tossed around and kids continue to dye their hair black.
Believe me, we can waste a lot of time on nostalgia over what once was. We can keep debating whether music these days really matters. Or we can get out there and fucking rock!
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I support your fucking rocking platform, and you can count on my vote at the convention.
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OK I'll bring the jello shots and you bring the waffles!
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How in the world did I stumble on this review? No idea.
I just gots to say something, though ... this ain't no "concert review." And the arguments made here by the writer are ... I'm sorry ... pretty stupid. I hate it when people try to sound like a snobby "real writer" and just go off on a bunch of unrelated tangents trying to sound deep and smart.
I'm not a punker. Never have been. Been to one pseudo-punk show in high school. Never even heard of this band.
But, let me get this straight. This guy went to one punk rock show, and without REALLY commenting on the music, concluded:
1. Rock is dying.
2. Trying to rebel through lyrics is futile 'cause you can't change the world.
3. "Different" "loud" music doesn't work on a commercial scale, thus people should not even try.
4. ... fuck it ... this "review" is so ignorant, my head hurts.
Create art, baby! Any way YOU FEEL!! Some people will like it, some won't. Sometimes A LOT of people will, sometimes none. You may reach just ONE person! Fuck it. But don't stop creating art -- any way YOU see it.
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I feel ya CF.
See Ross - you too failed to change the world with your ideas!
Give up!
By the way Elise & I are bringing Dickie over for breakfast to deliver his retort in person. See ya tomorrow.
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Look guys, I'm not crying. It's just raining on my face. I've just been cutting onions. I'm making lasagna... for one.
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Lasagne? What happened to my waffles?
I'm right there with ya bub, go read my hipster comments. It is a rite of passage. We are now real bloggers.
Bob: Dickie eats breakfast? With those abs?
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Man i wish I could be at that b-fast. However I was born in 84 so I'd have absolutely no cred..."j-j-just pass the tabasco please..."