February 13, 2008
He's Just Not That Into You...And Your Meat
Can we now add eating habits to the long list of modern relationship deal-breakers? The New York Times published a pre-Valentine's Day article this morning discussing the difficulties couples face when their diets are dramatically different:
Ben Abdalla, 42, a real estate agent in Boca Raton, Fla., said he preferred to date fellow vegetarians because meat eaters smell bad and have low energy.Lisa Romano, 31, a vegan and school psychologist in Belleville, N.Y., said she recently ended a relationship with a man who enjoyed backyard grilling. He had no problem searing her vegan burgers alongside his beef patties, but she found the practice unenlightened and disturbing. [...]
June Deadrick, 40, a lobbyist in Houston, said she would have a hard time loving a man who did not share her fondness for multicourse meals including wild game and artisanal cheeses. “And I’m talking cheese from a cow, not that awful soy stuff,” she said.
I have to say I'm with June on this one -- soy cheese is not sexy. (Sorry, Zach.) But neither are vegetarians who think meat eaters "smell bad" -- hey now! There's no reason to get mean about it, and I know plenty of reasonable veggie heads who have no problem dating the more carnivorous members of our species.
In my house, we have a pretty strict policy of "eat whatever Mommy makes you and like it," but that isn't to say some culinary compromises have been made. My boyfriend's tastes run to steak, potatoes, and Doritos, while I have weird addictions to things like falafel, anchovies straight from the can and Sriracha sauce. We both agree on pasta, fresh green veggies, fish, and Costco potstickers.
Overall, though, he's a pretty good fit for me food-wise. I make sure he has a balanced diet (otherwise he'd happily live on microwavable burritos and corn dogs), he makes sure I have fun with recipes like Sloppy Joes and chicken Kiev. We also love going out to dinner together and experiencing new restaurants, and our mutual love of shows like "Top Chef" and "Iron Chef" means that we can talk about food with each other with enthusiasm and interest.
I've dated some picky eaters in the past, guys who wouldn't eat any meat other than chicken and hated the taste of pretty much everything except cereal and peanut butter. Let me tell you, for a girl who passionately loves food and cooking, watching your boyfriend dump freshly-cooked vegetable stew into the sink because you forgot you had put some ham hock in it for flavor. That's not disappointing, that's heart-breaking. We didn't last.
Perhaps less emotionally traumatizing, although no less difficult, is figuring out how to share meals with somebody who has a serious food allergy. I'm not nut-crazy, but I do enjoy using peanuts, cashews, and walnuts when I cook -- a no-no when the guy you're with swells up like a balloon after inhaling even the merest whiff of peanut.
Food choices might just be as important to a relationship as finances or sex, when you get right down to it -- what else permeates and shapes our daily life so much as our meals? For me, experimenting with flavors and ingredients (ranging from veal liver to tabbouleh) is a passion and a vocation -- and sharing that passion with the person I love is integral to the happiness of our relationship.
I'm gonna pull a Julia Allison and turn this one over to the crowd: do you have a different point of view about the role of food in your relationships? Are you a veggie or a meat-eater? What are your policies on dating members of the opposite taste?



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I'm a veggie, he's not. We don't let it get in the way too much. We eat the same meal most times, him with meat and we with a corresponding meat alternative. I'm not horribly picky when it comes to pre-prepared soups having chicken stock, or caesar salad having anchovy paste, but if we're making something from scratch, we use vegetarian ingredients.
I only get gripey when he eats really bad meat. if you're going to have a hamburger, okay - but let's get you a good one, not a BK stacker, know what I mean?
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Soy cheese is disgusting, there is no denying that one. These people seem unwilling to compromise, period. And since a relationship is all about compromise...they will remain alone for a bit longer.
I know plenty of "mixed" couples who manage to cope.
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i don't eat red meat so i guess i fall into an 'in between' category. i don't know that i would have an issue with a guy who loves steak, but i kind of would prefer someone who doesn't eat much of it, if at all.
i'm not passionate enough about either viewpoint though, so it's not like i can relate to people who are very strict about their diet.
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My wife used to not eat red meat. Then she realized how awesome a good filet mignon tastes when it melts in your mouth and came to her senses. She also loves taco salads, although we make the taco meat with ground turkey now most times.
Basically I think we compromised over time. I now eat much more vegetables and salads and she eats more meats. Good times.
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I eat meat, she doesn't. She got turned off to meat as a kid because of her mom's cooking, and if I had any discerning taste I should have too. Mom used to grill the crap outta burgers until they were pretty much indistinguishable from hockey pucks. Thanks a heap, Hugh Downs.
Anyway, we make it happen. I oven-bake my chicken, she stir-fries her tofu. She's kind of a veggie-light (pescatarian is the precise name, I think) -- only skips on chicken, beef, pork... and wild game, I suppose (no venison or elk meat for her. Or me. Blech.). So (thank god!) sushi isn't off the menu, nor are eggs (my specialty) or cheese (her passion). She's got her soy cheese and soy lunchmeat and so forth, which I don't object to, but avoid. And I've been introduced to things like bean stick and bean curd skin, and some great vegetarian restaurants in the SGV that would have otherwise gone unnoticed by me.
And yes, she will object to me eating meat from time to time -- but like above, only if it's a death-burger from Carl's Jr. and likely to stop my heartbeat with a glance. But it only means she cares. Plus we still get to make these if we want (last night we did).
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"came to her senses"??
whatever.
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I take umbrage with your idea that "reasonable veggie heads" are okay with dating across the meat-line. I consider myself both reasonable and vegetarian, but I could not date an omnivore.
Vegetarianism is like most other strong affiliations: There are people for whom things are "just preferences" and others for whom they are "moral imperatives." For example, a ho-hum Democrat might date a Republican, but a dyed-in-the-wool socialist would probably not date a libertarian. Or, perhaps a better analogy, an anti-abortion activist would be unlikely date an abortionist.
It shouldn't be considered "unreasonable" that I wouldn't date a meat-eater. In fact, it's completely reasonable; I want to date someone with values similar to those I have. My vegetarianism isn't a dietary preference, but an ethical compulsion.
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Umbrage??? Not UMBRAGE!!! Whatever shall I do!
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kidding...but Zach Behrens is my resident Veg Head and he always says that he has no problem dating non-veggies.
So I guess you're right about preference versus moral imperative -- I just take issue with *some* vegetarians being judgmental in the way that this article portrays them, i.e. "meat-eaters smell bad and have low energy." I may have low energy but I smell FANTASTIC.
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Basically, when I date a non-veggie, they eventually come join me on the dark side.
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Oh yeah, I think the stuff about "energy" and whatever is complete nonsense. I am a low-energy vegetarian and I have many high-energy meet eater friends. And yeah, right now I don't smell very good, so I don't think that has much to do with it either.
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Dated a guy for a year once who would not eat beef or pork. I don't eat fish. We ate ALOT of chicken and turkey. I got really sick of cooking chicken, really fast.
I had issues with it though. Not because I didn't respect his weird dietary desires, but because they were totally without base. He wouldn't eat pork because he claimed to be Jewish. He's never set foot in a temple in his life, nor does he follow the religion at all. Nor do his parents. If he actually was Jewish, I could respect it. Then he claimed to be Hindu and that's why he couldn't eat beef.
My signature dish is Pot Roast. He would rather eat ramen instead of that gloriously tender cut of dead cow swimming in juice.
Needless to say, I don't date veggies anymore.
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i'm open to being converted, zach... ;)
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I'm vegetarian, but light on dairy and spent 2 years as a vegan. I previously dated a girl who was really into meat. We made it work, and she was really accommodating to me, often enjoying the challenge of cooking in completely new ways when we made food together.
She still eats meat, but now eats much more veggies then her parents were ever able to get her to eat. For that her parents have thanked me.
Moral choice is part of my veggieness, but I realize a completely veggie diet doesn't work for everyone. Ultimately I would just be happy if meat consumption became lower, and I can't think of a better way to do that then introduce delicious vegetarian alternatives to people with a non threatening agenda.
Currently I'm dating a vegan, and although I do enjoy the more common food choices we share, dating a more carnivorous partner, was never a serious source of friction.
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Most people are not vegetarians or vegans because they're picky, but because of a moral, political, environmental, spiritual, or health choice. (I do love food and cooking and dining. I just don't consider animals or their secretions to be food.)
I agree with Greg - I don't consider it a hallmark of reason to date someone with different values. It would be extremely difficult for me and would feel inauthentic.
I hesitate to admit that meat-eaters do smell, uh, different to me. I'm sure one would get used to it if one is in luuuurve.