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HBO has been known to push the envelope. Thanks to the fact that subscribers pay extra for the channel, and there are no commercials, the network is neither beholden to the FCC or uptight whiners.
Without those restrictions, the network has been able to blossom with adult-orientated shows like The Sopranos, Taxi Cab Confessions, and Entourage. Now there's word that HBO has a new series about sex that actually shows real penetration between the "actors".
The TV Critics Association summer press tour is in town and Thursday HBO gets their chance to answer questions from the press about the new show.
...[T]he first press conference that's bound to have some uncomfortable-making questions comes Thursday when HBO panels its upcoming series "Tell Me You Love Me." It's the show most likely to be labeled a pornographic bore. The story of several pairs of lovers in couples counseling with a therapist (Jane Alexander), the "Tell Me..." pilot features what appears to be actors having actual, not simulated, sex.Hopefully someone will ask HBO if, now that John from Cincinnati is a proven flop, that they can bring Deadwood back, or get the rights for Firefly.There's a scene of apparent penetration, a woman (actress Sonya Walger, or possibly Ally Walker, I have trouble telling them apart and both are in this show) masturbates her male partner to completion and Alexander's character appears to perform oral sex on her husband.
Normally I would just dismiss this as sexual special effects, but we live in a world post-"Shortbus," last year's film in which the actors did have actual sex on camera. And HBO's press release for the series, premiering Sept. 9, is intentionally cagey, saying the show "looks at the connection, or disconnection, between sex and intimacy," and quotes HBO executive Carolyn Strauss who says, "The show reveals characters and relationships through everyday, telling moments in a way that broadcast TV can't do." - Post-Gazette
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I'm not really a John from Cincinnati fan (I gave it four eps and it didn't grab me). But to say something is a "proven flop" at this point is premature.
Such attitudes have fomented the current modus operandi at network television, which is "cancel anything that doesn't positively come roaring outta the gate".
That attitude cost us Arrested Development and would've kept many beloved shows like Seinfeld and Cheers outta our homes had that been the prevailing attitude back in the day.
It's unfortunate.
I was totally not turned on at all by this until you mentioned Firefly.
If HBO got rights to Firefly, there would be world peace.
And hey, I love John from Cincinnati!
you know its a terrible show
and certainly will never be what Deadwood was or could have been
therefore kill it
and to compare it to Seinfeld, well now thats actually funny.
DEADWOOD! YES! PLEASE!!! BRING BACK DEADWOOD!
I don't know it's terrible, because I stopped watching it. For all I know it could be the shit.
It's obvious you're just another Milch hater angry over Deadwood, which is understandable. But you types never get the story straight. HBO is the culprit behind the death of Deadwood. The show was a "period" show and thus cost heaps and heaps of gold to produce. That is why it died. Milch had very little to do with it. The fact that he managed to spin a cancellation into a new project is a credit to his deftness and he shouldn't be the object of so much misdirected anger.
It's disingenuous, I believe, for you to say I compared JC to Seinfeld. I did not.
I hope HBO paid you well to help fan the flame of this (non)controversy to drive people to tune in. Good job! (No, it's not worth registering for that line, sorry.)
The way I see it this is borrowing from "Deadwood." On THAT show, there were many *whores* featured weekly. On THIS show they've simply replaced them with *actors* who -- if rumors are correct -- are being paid to have sex with other actors, (let's hope they're getting paid A LOT).
Arrested Development was a great show but Fox didn't cancel prematurely. They gave it 3 seasons, which was generous imo, and for whatever reason, it didn't find an audience.
You're half right, guest.
Fox did give Arrested Development 3 seasons, although they were constantly downsizing the orders, resulting in an abbreviated 13 ep 3rd season.
But the poor ratings caused Fox to constantly shift the time slot beginning in the first season and not even try to promote the show, which is no way to lift a program out of a ratings slump.
My point is that the "impatient little kid" attitude of networks these days is bad for programming.
Annyong, Cocksuckah