LAist: May Day = Go to school and work day!

El Pocho

Tue, 08 May 2007 08:39:59 -0800

(C) or CHRISTIAN is totally a closet racist whether he wants to admit it or not. If these were a bunch of Dutch illegal immigrants marching the streets he'd be, like, "Fuck yeah! This totally rocks! Who has the joint?"

William

Thu, 03 May 2007 15:27:19 -0800

Ranchera, I'm glad to see you've refined your style. It makes it much more pleasant reading something cohesive and not infused with vitriol. That being said, nowhere did I refer to a generality among Mexicans and Chicanos. Nor did I question your particular heritage as I would not allow myself that pretension. If you're going to make an effort to prove that I have a superiority complex, at least make sure you have ample evidence. Otherwise, it is quite clear that you are forcing adjectives that have no basis. It's been nice. Fight on.

la ranchera

Thu, 03 May 2007 10:38:09 -0800

William, Why would I want to "take back" Mexico when I'm from Los Angeles, California? I live in the US Southwest because this is my homeland, my ancestors have lived in this general geographic area for thousands of years (before the border) and my roots grow deep here. You know, if I could find family from my European heritage in Spain, I'd consider living there too. Spain is an awesome country with good bars, good food and great weather. I don't mind debating with you but what a patronizing attitude you have, you act like all of us Mexicans and Chicanos think alike. Worse yet is your superior stance in questioning me about the knowledge of my own heritage and history. So typical. Oh well, I'm sure nobody's mind was changed through this thread but at least a different perspective was offered. Glad to see LAist taking on new contributors, the blog has gotten much better this past month.

William

Thu, 03 May 2007 08:32:36 -0800

Maybe if he'd gone to school on May 1st, he wouldn't have missed the lesson where they teach him how to spell.

malingering

Wed, 02 May 2007 22:54:37 -0800

your post screams bourgeosie piece of shit. show an ounce of respect for the millions of people that work harder every day then you will in your life. you fuckin urbanite bloggers have your heads so far up your asses you cant even breath How insightful. It's always nice when it gets personal because it becomes blatantly obvious that no one has a clue what "bloggers" actually do for their JOBS, some think that we blog for a living (HA!) and sit around at prissy little desks all day asking people to bring us pastries while we bitch. Keep living your delusion, dear friend, as long as it makes you feel good about yourself. That's all that matters. And it's "breathe."

Teddy

Wed, 02 May 2007 16:37:05 -0800

Actually, in the USA, May 1 is "Loyalty Day" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyalty_Day

cmgrowl

Wed, 02 May 2007 09:35:07 -0800

Whatever happened to Labor Day? Or is that just for hotdogs and beer now?

hahaha

Wed, 02 May 2007 08:55:29 -0800

William

Wed, 02 May 2007 08:20:52 -0800

I think if anyone actually read C's post, they would realize that it wasn't against marching - it was against marching so many times that it became ineffective. It is clear that the vehement responses to those that do not necessarily agree with the protests are not being read in full and that regardless of what is written, they will be attacked with nonsensical babble. Good thing we got a La Raza comment in here, too. Ranchera, maybe when Mexico starts using its resources for something other than to serve the interests of the super rich, you can organize a rebellion and take back the lands! Until then, you'll be dealing with a lot of Californians who love this land as much as you think you do. Do you consider how many Mexicans are of mixed heritage, also? Or do you want to conveniently leave that part out as you believe others have conveniently left out how their own families came here?

Mushroom

Wed, 02 May 2007 00:40:53 -0800

Very well-written piece. There are ways to affect change and there are ways to alienate the rest of the world, and while a civil rights march to keep people on their toes is a good thing it shouldn't be "just another parade" that snarls traffic and gets played as an excuse to skip work once a month. Dilutes the message. If you want rights once you get to this country, apply to become a citizen. America loves immigrants but doesn't like shelling out to people who won't buy into the system. Even if it's the immigrants who are doing all the schlepwork the country so relies on. (So glad that the majority of the Hispanic population where I'm originally from lacks this kind of organization. Too much work to do, too low of pay to skip a day. If the immigrants in my hometown took a sick day like this, things would grind to a halt.)

Adam Rose

Wed, 02 May 2007 00:00:52 -0800

Anybody who is worth their salt as a public policy analyst can explain the overkill created by California Prop 65 and how it's a strong parallel to these protests. Essentially, Prop 65 resulted in so many warning labels on products sold in this state that consumers became numb to their existance. Since the actualy threat of most products sold with the Prop 65 warning was miniscule, people started to see the labels as meaningless. This same mindset is now used when they see truely important labels, thereby diminishing their effectiveness. As (C) points out, we have quasi-regular protests which are portrayed in the mainstream press as a bunch of kids cutting school. Considering the attendance and graduation rates of LAUSD, there isn't much of a sacrifice involved on their behalf. The end result is a commuter headache that won't do much to sway politicians, voters, or donors. Rock on, (C). The question on my mind is just how organized these protests were. For anything like this, the Supreme Court has upheld that municipalities and/or other agencies can require permits. It's not a slight to free speech; rather it ensures that the government can act to ensure that people can express themselves to the fullest extent without interference and without violating the rights of others. I have a hunch the organizers had to file some heavy duty paperwork and maybe even pony up some cash to pay for street closures (including the costs of security, cleanup, etc.). Just curious ...

malingering

Tue, 01 May 2007 23:50:28 -0800

I would tell you what a douche you are for using a hyberbole in your article, but I have to go march for abandoned animals to be spayed and neutered to prevent testing on them and save the whales and signing people up to give them a clean ocean to swim in while I'm closing down sweatshops to give rights to their workers while at the same time protecting the abortion rights and getting free health care to everyone as well as opening my home up to the homeless mentally ill to give them a place to recover while they join forces with the overcrowded school children to fight for equality. Since I can't read past the first sentence as I am too busy saving the world, unlike you, silly white person who hates all immigrants and spends all day writing about how you hate mexicans and how you hate me as well, I don't have time to do anything but throw my blinders on and be self-righteous, so let me just call you an asshole and be done with it. Good night to you as well.

(C)

Tue, 01 May 2007 21:50:35 -0800

[La Ranchera] - Well you sure told me! I am sure that we will all get up tomorrow, and because of the march today, magical fairy dust will fall from the sky and all of our immigration policy woes will at once vanish. Grow up. Political action is a multi-faceted, highly complex animal that includes public protest, political action, participating in the electoral process, and having discussions with members of your community. You have run out of things to say and have reduced yourself to lobbing weak 2nd grade insults. Judging by the comment that follows [31], it looks like you either got somebody else to repeat what you said or you created another login in order to say the same thing. Well done. Good luck with that whole social change thing - you're definitely on the right track. [31]what? - Me and my white buddies? Wow. Guess what? I don't have to be of color to have an opinion about these protests, and my commentary merely points out that there are other ways to go about affecting change. As I said originally and will say again now for the last time, READ POINT 1) - I am all for people immigrating here, but these constant protests are NOT WORKING as a method of changing policy. Those of you who have romantic views of revolution should read a book or two. Revolution is ugly, bloody business that tends to result in ongoing unrest, and the crushing of your freedom of expression. Look into it. [33] Panfilo - Your threat is duly noted. Fuck you. This day is over for me, so feel free to come back in here, call me a poser, get all of your friends to post the same stuff you are saying, and otherwise get the last word. I am sure that will feel good. I think that we can all agree that the immigration policy of this country, as it stands now, is not working, and the public discussion towards resolving this disaster needs to continue. Good night kids.

gideon dev

Tue, 01 May 2007 20:40:15 -0800

"get the gasface"?? what a poor choice of words...

Panfilo

Tue, 01 May 2007 20:07:05 -0800

for reals dogg, claiming anarchy while suggesting government lobbying as a method for effective social change would get you jumped in my hood, yo.

Teresa

Tue, 01 May 2007 19:35:32 -0800

Your views are embarrassing.

What?

Tue, 01 May 2007 18:57:40 -0800

C, I read your whole "article", it stinks. You seem to think you're the only person to ever have considered effective methods for social change. You ain't. If you don't think this is the best method, fine. But instead you take a position of pissing at the best efforts many others decide to take, with your bullshit reasoning and snide contempt at other means of getting things done. Lobbying? Fuck you. That shit is stupid and only effective for you and your white buddies. BTW, you need to get that circle A out of your peskyhumans.com title page, there is nothing remotely anarchistic about you. Sell out poser.

la ranchera

Tue, 01 May 2007 18:55:38 -0800

"28] La Ranchera - Please see above. Did you actually read the whole article? If you want to change policy, there are FAR more effective ways of doing so than running into the streets every month." Did you read MY comments above #3? If you think the best way to create social change is to donate money to lobby congress and for us to sit at home so you can get to work on time, then take the damn Anarchy @ symbol out of your logo, poseur.

(C)

Tue, 01 May 2007 18:04:56 -0800

I love that this article has sparked such a vibrant discussion, but I am dismayed that so many people have such a tough time with reading comprehension. It's like some of you got through the first paragraph and then rushed to the comment box to tell me what a spoiled, entitled jerk I am. The overarching point is that having a couple of marches a year reminds the powers that be that there are real people and families being torn apart by the current US immigration policy and its enforcement. I question the effectiveness of these marches in influencing policy changes, but I understand the impact of gathering hundreds of thousands of people to illustrate the point. Having a march every month or two results in diminishing returns. It's like, "Oh look, another immigration march". Bring out a million people and you send a message. Bring out a few tousand every 6 weeks and you aren't accomplishing shit other than shutting down the city for people who have to go to work. [28] La Ranchera - Please see above. Did you actually read the whole article? If you want to change policy, there are FAR more effective ways of doing so than running into the streets every month. [27] Roger - My article has nothing to do with race whatsoever. It has to do with constant repeat demonstrations that are having a minimal effect on changing immgration policy, while shutting down businesses and streets in the process. In fact, it could easily be argued that these constant demonstrations could have the effect of backfiring and turning the sentiments of people who would otherwise be sympathetic to the cause of immigration reform. Judging from your comment, I get the feeling you didn't make it through the whole article either.

la ranchera

Tue, 01 May 2007 17:11:43 -0800

number #11 said: "to the earlier comment: Let's not channel MLK when talking about illegals. Black people got forcibly brought to the country, Latinos jumped a fence." Bullshit. We didn't cross the borders, the borders crossed us. My Mexican/indigenous family goes back in these lands before there was a "united states," so fuck you. Interestingly, you left out how YOUR ancestors came here. A case can be made whether these marches are effective or not, but mr. poseur (c) did not make a good argument. Basically, he sounds like a whiny, privileged fool crying about his minor inconvenienced life.

Roger

Tue, 01 May 2007 16:43:13 -0800

So, you won't support the marches, not because you disagree on the issue, but because you'll be inconvenienced? Wow, LAist, talk about yuppie entitlement. At least grab a sign that says GO BACK TO MEXICO, I would respect you more.

Panfilo

Tue, 01 May 2007 16:25:56 -0800

You're right Babylon, the author and I should not argue over who is the douche. The biggest douche here is obviously Mr. Public Policy himself, William.

Willliam

Tue, 01 May 2007 14:45:41 -0800

Babylon, Please exercise caution with your assumptions. It is incredibly insulting that you would suggest that members of my family entered this country illegaly when I know that is not true. It is doubly insulting for you to imply that I might not pass a citizenship test. If these things hold true for you, that it is unfortunate. I take pride in my knowledge of my country's history, its founders, and the Constitution that binds it together. For clarification purposes, since your discerning eye may be out of order: I said "simpleton" to describe what I might expect a person who wrote a message such as his/hers to write. My intention was not to make them "look stupid". Although, if you want to exaggerate it to serve your purposes, I can see why you would write that. Also, my commentary has been largely centered around immigration and immigration policy - not the march. I am sufficiently proficient in public policy to be commenting on it and I will continue to do so. Again, what rights do these laborers not have? Further, what is the basis for them being entitled to those rights?

Babylon's Daughter

Tue, 01 May 2007 13:54:11 -0800

I agree with you William Mexico should not be a poverty ridden country with no middle class. I have spent time there and seen how both upper class and the poor live it is not pretty. As for over simplifying the situation, this is just a way for you to make me a how did you put it, oh yes "simpleton". If you do not know what the march is for then why are you commenting as if you are an expert and condescend any of us that do not agree with your point of view? Calling people names and making them feel stupid is a just a tatic that means you can shout louder than I. This does not mean you are more educated about any of the issues at hand. Most of what May Day is about is equal rights for Laborers in America. To continue to protect the rights of workers that so many people fought to have. That is why it has been turned into an immigration issue. I guarentee when your family immigrated just like mine to America not everyone did it legally and due to this they were given the worst jobs. Also I bet even you my friend like myself if given the citizenship test would not pass. Like many other American's we take alot forgranted.

William

Tue, 01 May 2007 13:21:13 -0800

Did I miss Panfilo's "eloquent" argument? All I've read thusfar would only suggest a rant by a simpleton. Babylon, you are greatly oversimplifying the situation. This is not about human rights. These peoples' human rights are not being violated. As for equal rights: I maintain that someone who has entered this country illegaly should not be ENTITLED to the same rights as citizens and legal migrants. Can someone please clarify what this march is for, again? Also, I agree with Kiki. There is absolutely no reason that Mexico should be a poverty-ridden country. It has ample access to two massive oceans, it neighbors the largest economy in the world, it has a vast amount of natural resources, and it has an incredibly large workforce. If it's revolution you're looking for, maybe you should check in Mexico.

babylon's daughter

Tue, 01 May 2007 12:18:40 -0800

To Panfilo and (C), you are both waisting time arguing about who the biggest douche is! You both have valid and eloquently put agenda's and you both are in violation of sterotyping each other. Bottom line is we are all immigrants of this country unless you are of Native American Descent. How we got here does not matter it is that we are here now and we should support our fellow immigrants. Bottom line is if it wasn't for them none of our dirty work that I can guarentee you neither of you do yourself would be accomplished! Maybe just maybe if we all stopped judging each other for what side of the political line we fall upon. If we drink Latte's or not, what car we drive, if this is an excuse for a day off....Instead stand up for everyone to have equal rights not because they are legal or illegal but because at the end of the day we are all Human Beings!!!!!! It is not fair for anyone to judge the motives of these indivduals as we sit behind the ivory tower of a computer debating their intentions. If you are concerned go down to the march and see for yourself. It is time for a revolution in this country, Stand up for your RIGHTS and the rights of Other's!

Panfilo

Tue, 01 May 2007 11:52:24 -0800

(C) - Do you really think that all these people are doing is "pounding their fists" and playing hooky from work? There is a lot of work being done by a lot of individuals and immigrant's rights organizations, the marches are just the most visible part of that work. However the other side has a lot more money and higher connections, so the marches are usually the only thing most Americans see. Saying that we're just marching in the streets and accomplishing nothing is a stereotype in itself and makes you look like a ivory-tower dwelling douche.

(C)

Tue, 01 May 2007 11:34:54 -0800

[Panfilo] - Again, go ahead and ditch work / school and march through the streets. Just know that you aren't accomplishing much in the way of effecting immigration policy. Currently US immigration law doesn't just allow for anyone and everyone to come here. There is a naturalization process that people conveniently forget exists, and tons of laws that simply are not enforced. The immigration system in this country needs a complete overhaul to reflect the realities that exist today. I am not sitting in some ivory tower, sipping a 'latte'. The stereotype that you are projecting on me is tired and makes you look like a douche for not being able to come up with a solid argument. Funny how no one has addressed the fact that pooling the resources of all of these activists to effect real change would be a LOT more effective than walking through the streets. Nobody wants to talk about that. Everybody would rather pound their fists, march through the streets, take a day off, and accomplish nothing.

Kiki

Tue, 01 May 2007 11:18:45 -0800

The problem needs to be addressed at the core. Why are there so many desperate people starving in Mexico? They have the greatest natural resources of almost any country. Their poverty is all political. If we can't resolve Mexico's problem, let's have some "work release" programs so people can come work weekly, and seasonally. People don't really want to risk their lives and leave their families. And very few Americans want to do the jobs the undocumented workers are doing. If that means paying minimum wage and worker's comp, so be it. I don't mind paying another dollar a pound for oranges. Imagine how much we will save in border enforcement? I'm sure that will pay for worker's comp. Maybe instead of a day where people don't work, we should have a day where everyone involved in immigration policymaking has to spend the day scrubbing toilets and picking lettuce. BTW, I am the first person born in the US in my family. Ever. All of my brothers have green cards. Damn Canadians.

William

Tue, 01 May 2007 11:14:26 -0800

Mando, I could give a damn if the option is available or not. I believe that America should reform its immigration to include the legal migration of blue collar workers. Until that time, it is ILLEGAL to walk across the border without permission from the United States government. It is an absolutely heartwrenching tragedy that people in this world must live in poverty or fear for their lives on a daily basis but proximity should not be reason enough to allow some to break the law and others not to. You're damn right. My parents were immigrants. They came here legally. They didn't HAVE to do that. There are many who came from the same part of the world who did not come legally. That did not preclude them from abiding by the laws of the country they were expecting to live in. I believe it sets a bad precedent that your first action concerning the country you're going to be living in is a violation of one of their laws. For the record, May Day is a great day and no one should have to work in respect of all workers, across the world. We need a new immigration policy. Although, we wouldn't want to confuse the Bush administration with more than one task as they are now busy decimating a part of the Middle East. Looks like it will have to wait.

Panfilo

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:57:48 -0800

Yeah, sorry you'll be late for work and can't get your daily latte today, but we're just trying to you, you know, exercise our freedoms and stuff. Mass deportations and second-class status can be kinda of a drag sometimes. Sorry white liberal America!

(C)

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:50:04 -0800

[4]Tripe - Yeah you might want to re-read the article. I don't work in the WF building. The point was that both the guy getting minimum wage to clean that building and I will both be AT WORK, because we have to. Before talking shit, make sure to comprehend what you are reading so that hilarity does not ensue. [5]Lush - That's some great imagery there, but totally inaccurate, as I am sure you already knew. [6]Deargod... - Nowhere did I indicate that there should be any changes to our constitution. In fact, I stated before and will state again that I fully support the right of people to express themselves freely, even if it does tear up the commute for the vast majority of people who actually have to show up for their jobs today. If you re-read what I said, you will see that I was saying that marching every couple of months has a minimal effect on policy. Your MLK reference is horribly misplaced for a number of reasons, and you know it. How you can read what I wrote and come to the conclusion that I am a moderate, subversive racist is beyond me. We absolutely need immigration reform in this country, and sooner rather than later. My position has nothing to do with race. It has to do with the end result of having constant marches on City Hall, which have a de minimis effect at best on actual policy, and which basically shut down the city for people who actually have to go to work, [8]Acacs - I am an 'over entitled yupster' because I want to make it into work on time? DIAF [9]William - You get the award for best reading comprehension skills. I actually fall to the left of you on the illegal immigration issue, but you at least got the point of the diminished effect of marching 4-5 times a year. [10]JonWilson - All good points. Glad somebody else caught the inappropriateness of invoking MLK.

fulana

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:44:38 -0800

white america brought africans to this country as slaves, then white america had to do away with slavery but still needed a workforce and that's why we have illegal immigrants. white america wants and needs them. they didn't have to 'jump a fence' to get here. it was left unlocked, while those in charge looked the other way. in a perfect world anyone with dreams, ambition and hope can migrate LEGALLY to this country, and live the american dream. but the reality is the U.S. only grants visas to those from 'desirable' countries and to those with MONEY. the rest are really only there to be exploited.

babylon's daughter

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:40:29 -0800

You are entitled to your own thoughts and opinons and because of this great country you are allowed to post your opinon for everyone to read. This opinon of May Day is wildly selfish in nature. Only because these marchers are inconviencing you, this is why you are over it. Let me pose this question if they were marching down Colorado Blvd. would you be as bothered? Would there be a article written about how "You" are bothered by their right to march. This is what is wrong with so many people in America we only believe in the cause if it does not directly impact our day to day routine. We only want things if it is diluted enough to fit into our pretty little lives. Who knows if today's march will make a difference or it will be swept under the rug as just another bad traffic day in LA. I do know things in the past were not changed by paying off lobbying politco's but by taking to the streets and protesting! We can all argue and call each other names till the cows come home, this still only keeps us focused on ourselves. At what point do we all stop to take a look at ourselves and realize what am I doing about the convictions of my beliefs? What am I doing to help other human beings? We all get caught up in the day to day routine of driving to work, paying bills, dealing with family, watching American Idol... We Forget that there are alot of people in this great country that are less fortunate than you or I and often times fall through the cracks that this amazing government has established between the rich and the poor. You have to follow what is in your own heart. Just refrain from judging others for theirs because they effected your morning commute.

Mando

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:38:53 -0800

Every single comments section on any article/blog/whatever on immigration has at least one person saying a variation of the same old line "MY PARENTS/WIFE/NEIGHBORS ARE LEGAL IMMIGRANTS I SUPPORT LEGAL IMMIGRATION BUT NOT THESE ILLEGALS THAT JUMPED IN FRONT OF THE LINE AND BROKE THE LAW WHAT PART OF ILLEGAL DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND WITH YOUR SENSE OF ENTITLEMENT BLAH BLAH ETC". Do people ever think that if our parents had the OPTION of legally immigrating instead of risking their lives marching through the desert, that they wouldn't take it? Do people think it's fun or easy being illegal? For poor, unskilled workers there is no "line". If you're a college-educated Indian software engineer, you have a good chance, but if you're a rural farmer from Michoacan, tough tamales getting that green card, Pedro.

babylon's daughter

Tue, 01 May 2007 10:32:33 -0800

jonwilson

Tue, 01 May 2007 09:47:30 -0800

to the earlier comment: Let's not channel MLK when talking about illegals. Black people got forcibly brought to the country, Latinos jumped a fence. Anywho, good post. Honestly, if illegals cannot vote, don't make campaign contributions or lobby effectively, what impetus does Washington have to listen to their demands? None.

William

Tue, 01 May 2007 09:22:56 -0800

Those responses are exactly why those people cannot work within the system. They don't understand the system to do so. I am completely for mass movements but I also completely agree that marching 4-5 times a year will make no difference - its only objective is to disrupt the daily flow of life. Also, I have no idea what the purpose of the march is this year. I remember the first time around was two years ago and it brought a million people out. That was great. Now what? Personally, I have a problem with ILLEGAL immigration. My parents are immigrants and they had to get here through a very difficult and protracted process by legal means because they couldn't simply walk across the border. Fine, if you're going to illegaly immigrate here, do it. But, then, you're going to say that we don't treat ILLEGAL immigrants (operative word: illegal) well? Nobody promised a comfortable life in the United States. I don't see why illegal immigrants should be entitled to the same rights as legal immigrants (such as the right to citizenship in a certain amount of time) despite the fact that they broke the law to get here. It's a trade. You enter the country illegaly, we don't deport you, you get to work (illegaly) as you expected when you came here. Don't expect the same treatment and protection under the laws (which you broke) as legal migrants and citizens receive.

William

Tue, 01 May 2007 09:22:26 -0800

acacs

Tue, 01 May 2007 06:13:21 -0800

come on guys..the over-entitled yupster is trying to politically assert himself....wow....

Johnny

Tue, 01 May 2007 03:22:37 -0800

I wonder if #3,4,5 and 6 will be out there marching with the cause or at work like everyone else.

deargodwhatisthisshit

Tue, 01 May 2007 01:19:11 -0800

Clearly we need to amend the consitution so that your unique proposition of "Free-speech-unless-it-causes-traffic" can become reality, and "liberals" such as yourself won't have to wake up early to make it on time to their very, very important jobs. Oh, and my favorite line is "...allow me to suggest that you go to work and/or school tomorrow. You will be one day closer to the dream that is, I can assure you, uniquely American." Because it is uniquely American to...have a job? Make money? And thanks for your assurance. I feel so comfortable and safe in your hands. As MLK said, the true danger to reform is not the outright racist, but the moderate who wants to take it slow!

lush

Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:24:14 -0800

wah wah wah!! what a cry baby. the only thing separating you from the masses protesting tomorrow is because your mother gave birth to you in the U.S. So while you're whining because you'll be a little late to work in your gas guzzling SUV, while drinking a $5 latte, listening to Ryan Seacrest in the morning, the REAL people that make this city go will be protesting for basic rights to make a living. Go eat a chalupa!!

tripe

Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:22:01 -0800

Oh boohoo, some liberal that works in the Wells Fargo tower is going to be inconvenienced. You should be outside in remembrance of the inconvenient protests that got you the 8 hour workday. What a twat.

La Ranchera

Mon, 30 Apr 2007 23:02:47 -0800

Okay, I'll call you shitty. So you were "willing to give people a pass" the first few times, how benevolent of you! Sorry if you are inconvenienced by the truth but the reality is, nothing changes in this society without tension or pressure. Work within the system? Perhaps that strategy is suitable for folks like you but for the rest of us, direct action is the best way to create social change. No Work, No School May 1st! Create traffic and piss off yuppies! Btw, I'm not an immigrant (unless the bering strait counts) just a supporter.

Pesky Humans

Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:40:04 -0800

ben

Mon, 30 Apr 2007 22:27:14 -0800

Jesus fucking christ. thank you, thank you, thank you. more insight, understanding and positively realistic thoughts, people!