Proposition 85 requires abortion doctors to notify the parents of a minor 48 hours before the proceedure.
If a young woman is getting knocked up and doesn't feel comfortable telling her parents that she's about to have an abortion, then LAist believes that probably wouldn't have been the best family situation for a little kid anyway. Children having children in less-than-perfect, untrusting households are not what will make this country any better.
Until all families, like those who read LAist, can communicate in honest and loving ways this blog will be voting No on 85.
There are no Yes on 85 videos currently on YouTube, but after the jump a pro Parental Notification video from a similar proposition up in Oregon:
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Ok i USUALLY agreee with a lot of the beliefs of LAist but isn't it a little ludicrous that you CAN'T go on a field trip without a parent notification but you can do something like get an abortion and not have to tell anyone? I mean this is a bigger deal than a lot of the things we have had to notify our parents about before we turned 18 (absences? dentist visit?).
The only thing I'm thinking of is in situations of rape or incest (which EVERYONE brings up) but there should be something for that...and I don't want to go into that yet.
Politically I swing both ways (so my views are mostly moderate I guess) but this is one of the issues I just don't get. Ther are high schools that give out freakin free condoms! What happened to personal responsibility? I see in environmental/global issues (usually assigned to the liberal/democratic view which I am bringing up since voting no on these parental notification kind of things is the view typically held by liberal/democratic population) they are always touting a big sense of personal responsibility but what about the responsibilities we have on our bodies (I'm sorry if that seems like I'm being selfish, watching my body before that of the environment which I do care of thank you very much [I'm applying for a job at greenpeace although that is besides the point])? We complain about how companies/corporations in the US don't adopt cradle to the grave policies like they have in Europe and everywhere else they have adapted the Kyoto Protocol. How typically American of us. We just wait for someone else to worry about our problems (which you can point out to people like George W. Bush since it's his last term and nothing he does now will really matter against him anyways).
Plus if I remember from the last election it goes out of our tax money too. So basically, we would be paying for other people's lack of care/responsibility? (Which is why I'm glad we don't have universal healthcare, especially with the exploding obesity/health problems typically attributed to fastfood).
I don't think I really proofread it correctly and I might regret it later but I will be sure to comment back until I lose this debate or we (as in the people that debate if they do) come to a compromise.
If my kid would do something like that without letting me know, that would kill me. Wheres the trust these days?
this proposition isnt about your kid who you obviously have a good relationship with. it's for all the other kids who dont have that sort of relationship with their parents who would have to either 1)get a back alley abortion, 2)go to mexico for an abortion 3)secretly have a pregnancy and birth and then dump the baby in the garbage 4)kill herself 5)get berated physically, mentally, emotionally by her parents
nothing's stopping your kid from saying that she is pregnant and wants your help getting an abortion. this is for the other, less fortunate, young people in our state.
You are ALL the missing the point of this proposition! It's an effort to try and create the same sort of mother-daughter bonding around your kid's first abortion that you now share with her upon her first menstruation. You know, going out for ice cream sundays at the El Capitan and then rushing over to the babyGap to play 'what if?' in front of the store's front window. She's a WOMAN now, fer chrissakes! This law is going to be the catalyst for our society's new and improved Debutante's Ball, our nuevo y mejorado Quinceanera! Hell, I wouldn't be surprised if those same greeting card companies behind Valentine's Day and 'paper anniversaries' are the ones lobbying this sucker through the halls of justice!
leave the comedy writing to the president, hal mark
wasn't there a proposition similar to this in the last election? i have a very strong memory of being upset about this before...and didn't we vote this down? is this going to keep coming back until they get their way?
There was a proposition for this last year, Prop 93 to be specific. It got voted out by a small margin. The difference between the two is that last year, they attempted to use wording in the proposition that life begins at conception, which obviously upset a lot of people who voted against it. This year, they are trying to sugar-coat the same concept without the potentially offensive language. Either way, this proposition endangers young girls who cannot turn their to their families for support and only adds to social welfare problems. Statistics from other states have shown that parental notifcation has NO effect on abortion rate or teen pregnancy rate and in fact, puts many girls in life-threatening situations. Over 90% of teenagers tell their parents when they are having an abortion, and it's the unfortunate 10% who are left with having to deal with an abusive or dangerous parent who would be hurt by this.
As you can tell...I'm voting no on Prop 85.
"Prop 93 to be specific."
Actually, to be REALLY REALLY specific, it was prop 73
"Over 90% of teenagers tell their parents when they are having an abortion..."
Most ANTI prop 85 sites say the figure is closer to 70%. I’m sure they would use the 90% figure if they thought it to be even remotely credible.
Don't worry, I get 7s and 9s mixed up all the time.
My educated guess about these 30% (and my guess is as good as yours on the 10%) is that many of them are kids who knew they could get away with it, or coerced by an adult boyfriend or even a relative who got them pregnant to begin with.
While notification has not been required since the 50s, it’s only been 2 years since the California Attorney General has required public schools to allow students to leave campus for “private medical treatment” without notifying parents. So up until recently (and even now) many kids didn’t even realize they had that get out of jail free card. But if prop 85 doesn’t pass, I doubt that 70% figure will stay that high as the years go on, and word gets out that you can take care of business during school hours, and your school will actually help you keep it from your parents.